I got banned for something similar earlier today. I think a bad mod is having a really bad day here.
FOURTEEN days ban for stating the facts that over 70% of the Israeli people want the Netanyahu government gone and that more than half of the people in Gaza weren’t even BORN the last time there was an election, let alone old enough to vote. No warning, didn’t even let me know about it. I had to check the modlog to find out what was going on.
I guess nobody’s gonna read this, though, unless the appeal I sent to a mod worked…
Edit: yay, seems it did! Weird that the reversal isn’t showing up in the modlog, though…
Even appealing to basic reason regarding international conflicts got me banned from World News. Pretty sure I can only talk on World now. Didn’t care enough to check the mod logs lol.
Of the two times I’ve been banned (the first one was legitimate but overly harsh: 3 day ban for breaking the “be excellent to each other” rule in Technology by coming in WAY too hot on someone who might have just been honestly ignorant rather than anything malicious), neither carried any warning or message, so I had to check the modlog to find out why my comments were missing and I was getting an error message 🤷
I get what you’re saying, but oftentimes said laziness and ignorance leads to malicious actors not being held accountable, which in turn leads to more abuses. In the specific case, it was about new espionage capabilities for cops.
The 70% of the Israeli people want Netanyahu gone has a big asterisk to it that people either like to leave behind or don’t know better.
Netanyahu has been involved in a lot of controversies prior to this conflict, he is accused of (last I checked) 4 corruption cases that are pending trial, the government he is leading is known for setting up jobs for their friends & family and the so-called “judicial reform” he is trying to push is just an attempt to turn the country into an authoritarian state. Many accuse him that because of the “judicial reform” Israel was caught with their pants down, because a lot of reservists and active military men said they will refuse to accept the call of duty unless it stops.
In Israeli politics security is more important than economy and schools, it is the primary topic that concerns people before they choose who to vote for, and are in some cases willing to let things like corruption slide as long as the security is held in high standard. The truth is, a lot of Israelis support Netanyahu’s security policies. A lot of Israelis will only back a peace deal if the status quo remains (meaning, no land swaps, everything remains in the post 1967 borders) which is why the IDF gets full support for their actions in Gaza from Israel’s citizens. Sad to say but even once Netanyahu is gone, whoever is going to replace him will likely not change anything when it comes to the treatment of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank or perhaps make it even worse. Ever since the second intifida the public opinion has been that there cannot be peace with the Palestinians and any attempt to do so will only make things worse.
Which is a big part of the reason for declining popularity of the Netanyahu government.
Apart from many Israelis being morally opposed to the genocidal tactics of the government, more and more are seeing through the propaganda and realising that those tactics are actually making Israeli much LESS secure than an approach respecting international law and basic human decency would.
the IDF gets full support for their actions in Gaza from Israel’s citizens
Again, Netanyahu’s popularity is declining because he failed to do the one thing he had promised to do right. Whoever comes after him will have the same policy when it comes to dealing with occupied territories, there will be no attempts at peace because the public doesn’t support a peace effort.
Full may have been an overstatement, perhaps the word “majority” would fit better.
Israel has no problem figuring out how to make peace, as long as they have a willing partner. They have given up more land in peaceful transfers for the sake of peace than the entire current area of Israel and Palestine combined
They have given up more land in peaceful transfers for the sake of peace than the entire current area of Israel and Palestine combined
That’s highly misleading at best. The only time Israel ever ceded territory was giving the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt, which had little to nothing to do with Palestine.
Besides, they’re continuing to build illegal settlements in the West Bank as a matter of official policy, with the explicitly stated goal of making the Palestinian communities there more and more fractured until all of it is de facto Israel.
This in the area controlled by a legitimate government that does NOT keep attacking Israel.
Hardly. They also withdrew from Gaza and removed all settlements, which unfortunately led to the election of Hamas.
They have offered to return most of the west bank to Jordan, who declined because they didn’t want to deal with the Palestinian refugee problem. Israel has made multiple serious offers for Palestinian statehood with recognized borders including 99% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, East Jerusalem, and a corridor connecting West Bank and Gaza. The PA has backed out of every agreement because they didn’t want to deal with the extremists in Gaza. Plus, they would have to give up all that foreign aid that has made their leaders billionaires.
I got banned for something similar earlier today. I think a bad mod is having a really bad day here.
FOURTEEN days ban for stating the facts that over 70% of the Israeli people want the Netanyahu government gone and that more than half of the people in Gaza weren’t even BORN the last time there was an election, let alone old enough to vote. No warning, didn’t even let me know about it. I had to check the modlog to find out what was going on.
I guess nobody’s gonna read this, though, unless the appeal I sent to a mod worked…
Edit: yay, seems it did! Weird that the reversal isn’t showing up in the modlog, though…
Even appealing to basic reason regarding international conflicts got me banned from World News. Pretty sure I can only talk on World now. Didn’t care enough to check the mod logs lol.
Of the two times I’ve been banned (the first one was legitimate but overly harsh: 3 day ban for breaking the “be excellent to each other” rule in Technology by coming in WAY too hot on someone who might have just been honestly ignorant rather than anything malicious), neither carried any warning or message, so I had to check the modlog to find out why my comments were missing and I was getting an error message 🤷
Especially on the Internet, try to remember Hanlon’s Razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained through laziness or ignorance.
I get what you’re saying, but oftentimes said laziness and ignorance leads to malicious actors not being held accountable, which in turn leads to more abuses. In the specific case, it was about new espionage capabilities for cops.
Yeah, that could set me off too.
Remember kids: COP = Criminals On Patrol
The 70% of the Israeli people want Netanyahu gone has a big asterisk to it that people either like to leave behind or don’t know better.
Netanyahu has been involved in a lot of controversies prior to this conflict, he is accused of (last I checked) 4 corruption cases that are pending trial, the government he is leading is known for setting up jobs for their friends & family and the so-called “judicial reform” he is trying to push is just an attempt to turn the country into an authoritarian state. Many accuse him that because of the “judicial reform” Israel was caught with their pants down, because a lot of reservists and active military men said they will refuse to accept the call of duty unless it stops.
In Israeli politics security is more important than economy and schools, it is the primary topic that concerns people before they choose who to vote for, and are in some cases willing to let things like corruption slide as long as the security is held in high standard. The truth is, a lot of Israelis support Netanyahu’s security policies. A lot of Israelis will only back a peace deal if the status quo remains (meaning, no land swaps, everything remains in the post 1967 borders) which is why the IDF gets full support for their actions in Gaza from Israel’s citizens. Sad to say but even once Netanyahu is gone, whoever is going to replace him will likely not change anything when it comes to the treatment of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank or perhaps make it even worse. Ever since the second intifida the public opinion has been that there cannot be peace with the Palestinians and any attempt to do so will only make things worse.
Which is a big part of the reason for declining popularity of the Netanyahu government.
Apart from many Israelis being morally opposed to the genocidal tactics of the government, more and more are seeing through the propaganda and realising that those tactics are actually making Israeli much LESS secure than an approach respecting international law and basic human decency would.
Citation needed.
Again, Netanyahu’s popularity is declining because he failed to do the one thing he had promised to do right. Whoever comes after him will have the same policy when it comes to dealing with occupied territories, there will be no attempts at peace because the public doesn’t support a peace effort.
Full may have been an overstatement, perhaps the word “majority” would fit better.
Regardless, here are some sources:
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/21/1207138183/israel-gaza-hamas-idf-invasion-troops-supplies
Hebrew source, will require translation
https://www.mako.co.il/finances-news/Article-19ec4d49c931b81027.htm
Israel has made peace with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the PLO, UAE, Bahrain, etc.
I was talking about Israel v. Palestine, the countries surrounding haven’t gave Israel any trouble for a long time.
Because israel got fucked in Lebanon by Hezbollah and had to retreat which gave the Lebanese no reason to fight.
Strange how people just stop attacking once you stop stealing their land right.
PLO is also Palestine.
Israel has no problem figuring out how to make peace, as long as they have a willing partner. They have given up more land in peaceful transfers for the sake of peace than the entire current area of Israel and Palestine combined
That’s highly misleading at best. The only time Israel ever ceded territory was giving the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt, which had little to nothing to do with Palestine.
Besides, they’re continuing to build illegal settlements in the West Bank as a matter of official policy, with the explicitly stated goal of making the Palestinian communities there more and more fractured until all of it is de facto Israel.
This in the area controlled by a legitimate government that does NOT keep attacking Israel.
Oh and BTW, they keep oppressing peaceful farmers there who have done nothing wrong.
Hardly. They also withdrew from Gaza and removed all settlements, which unfortunately led to the election of Hamas.
They have offered to return most of the west bank to Jordan, who declined because they didn’t want to deal with the Palestinian refugee problem. Israel has made multiple serious offers for Palestinian statehood with recognized borders including 99% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, East Jerusalem, and a corridor connecting West Bank and Gaza. The PA has backed out of every agreement because they didn’t want to deal with the extremists in Gaza. Plus, they would have to give up all that foreign aid that has made their leaders billionaires.