Even if you take his statement as true it’s essentially arguing that historically genocides have happened and therefore Israel should get free rein to do one.
China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.
He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.
Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
Well then it’s obvious that certain history book authors are, in fact, in on this MASSIVE conspiracy of disinformation and misinformation. It’s the one thing that makes sense!!
Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’
Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.
The law does three big things:
It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”
It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”
It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”
Really, foreign powers went into Japan, colonized it, held it for decades, and then gave it to a group of people who aren’t from there and forced 700,000 indigenous Japanese to leave their country and live in a concentration camp?
The difference I’ve seen is that people generally seem to be able to call out the crimes or bad behaviour of any of these governments without being called ‘racist to _____ ethnic group’. It has to go both ways, people need to stop blaming the crimes of Israeli governing party on the Jewish people as a whole, AND supporters of the that party’s actions need to stop labelling any criticism of them as antisemitic.
Secondly and much more importantly, with the possible exception of a handful, those countries don’t have apartheid style laws enforcing ethnic cleansing and systemic oppression, discrimination and displacement.
I said the POSSIBLE exception because I’m admittedly not very knowledgeable about the laws of some of them.
I DO know that Israel is the only “western democracy” that’s actually a South African Apartheid style ethnostate, is the point.
Edit: for those who might think I’m exaggerating or otherwise being unfair, I’d say that Desmond Tutu is a pretty good source for what is and isn’t like the Apartheid he suffered under.
Lol, so not supporting genocide is now antisemitism. Other people got to commit genocide so Israel should too. All while acting like Israel is getting piled on for no reason other than being Jewish, as if no one’s criticized Russia or China or South Africa for the same thing.
That’s some evil manipulative fucking shit right there.
Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.
Judaism is simply a religion.
Edit: Well TIL. Apologies, I didn’t mean to appear ignorant. Thank you to the people who have pointed out my misunderstanding. I will be reading more about this and try to get a better grasp on this topic.
You are 100% wrong. The word “Jewish” has a dual meaning and you’re ignoring the more relevant one. Try consulting a dictionary sometime. Or talk to a Jew about what it means to be Jewish.
We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.
Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.
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Germany is 40 countrys in 16 trenchcoats and contains even in its today borders more than just one ethnic group.
Also Russia??
INDIA???
Dude…
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Yet only one ethnic group is represented in government and holds all legislative power and uses it to create a system of Apartheid
Are you high? What ethnic group is Ra’am? What ethnic group is Ta’al?
Are you disingenuous? How much political power do they hold?
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Maybe inform yourself before you speak on the topic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/16/apartheid-south-africa-reached-a-tipping-point-israel-will-too
LMAO what a horrible take, not even one of those countries originated in a similar way to Israel 💀
Even if you take his statement as true it’s essentially arguing that historically genocides have happened and therefore Israel should get free rein to do one.
Its the exact same as when we talk about Police brutality and chuds say, ‘what about black on black crime’
Even if that argument was viable, I would argue Israel’s genocide starting less than a century ago makes it much more imperative to act against it.
So instead we should genocide Israelis or what is your suggestion?
Palestinians taking their land back is justice after a century of genocide, not genocide.
Do you mean the settlements in the Westbank?
China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.
Most Muslim countries do not condemn it. Most countries that are cool with bombing muslim countries condemn it. Curious.
I don’t understand your statement. Can you explain it?
He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.
No, what he’s saying is almost every Muslim country has sent investigators to China, and not one has found evidence of torture or abuse.
Not a guy but yeah
My bad, I’m terrible about that. Thanks for politely calling me out, it reinforces in me the need to not assume gender online.
Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
Wait, its ok to torture them because some people who are in the same religion as them are ok with it?
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
Wow, this definitely is the most insane claim I have seen in the last 3 months at least.
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You do realise that there is not one Israeli ethnicity, right?
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Lmao, source?
Literally any history book my friend
I’ve got a book about the history of trains, but I’ve not seen anything about this. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?
That’s odd! My book about the history of Moldovan pastries doesn’t mention anything of the kind either!
Well then it’s obvious that certain history book authors are, in fact, in on this MASSIVE conspiracy of disinformation and misinformation. It’s the one thing that makes sense!!
Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’
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Edit “not your friend” so you got a source?
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Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.
The law does three big things:
It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”
It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”
It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”
source
lol what a shitty and thinly veiled religious law.
god gave us this land, nobody else got their land from god
our traditional language that our religious texts are written in is the most important and official language
we should spread and settle outside of internationally agreed boundaries because we are god’s chosen people
So, before 2018 when the controversial law was passed (not sure what you mean happened last week) you believe that Israel was not an ethnostate?
Really, foreign powers went into Japan, colonized it, held it for decades, and then gave it to a group of people who aren’t from there and forced 700,000 indigenous Japanese to leave their country and live in a concentration camp?
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The difference I’ve seen is that people generally seem to be able to call out the crimes or bad behaviour of any of these governments without being called ‘racist to _____ ethnic group’. It has to go both ways, people need to stop blaming the crimes of Israeli governing party on the Jewish people as a whole, AND supporters of the that party’s actions need to stop labelling any criticism of them as antisemitic.
First of all, that’s not true for most of them.
Secondly and much more importantly, with the possible exception of a handful, those countries don’t have apartheid style laws enforcing ethnic cleansing and systemic oppression, discrimination and displacement.
Which ones?
I said the POSSIBLE exception because I’m admittedly not very knowledgeable about the laws of some of them.
I DO know that Israel is the only “western democracy” that’s actually a South African Apartheid style ethnostate, is the point.
Edit: for those who might think I’m exaggerating or otherwise being unfair, I’d say that Desmond Tutu is a pretty good source for what is and isn’t like the Apartheid he suffered under.
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Lol, so not supporting genocide is now antisemitism. Other people got to commit genocide so Israel should too. All while acting like Israel is getting piled on for no reason other than being Jewish, as if no one’s criticized Russia or China or South Africa for the same thing.
That’s some evil manipulative fucking shit right there.
Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.
Judaism is simply a religion.
Edit: Well TIL. Apologies, I didn’t mean to appear ignorant. Thank you to the people who have pointed out my misunderstanding. I will be reading more about this and try to get a better grasp on this topic.
You are 100% wrong. The word “Jewish” has a dual meaning and you’re ignoring the more relevant one. Try consulting a dictionary sometime. Or talk to a Jew about what it means to be Jewish.
False.
Here’s some education for you, buddy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions
Judaism is a religion, yes.
Jewish people comprise of a few ethnic groups.
Jewish people also comprise a cultural group, which overlaps with Judaism the religion.
We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.
Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.
No. National identity is a relatively modern idea for any group of people. Being Jewish is being part of a culture, not a nation.
The person you’re responding to is an ass but you’re swinging too far in the opposite direction.
Fair enough. Not sure the best way to translate the concept of עם ישראל
In order to be Jewish your mother needs to be Jewish. Converted Jews are widely shunned by the Jewish community.
Anyone can convert to those other religions without needing a certain ethnicity.
“widely shunned”?
I’ve seen the opposite - welcomed with open arms.