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  • @LeroyJenkins
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    256 months ago

    not defending the behavior, but is this even an example of net neutrality? it’s not like ISPs are putting a slow lane for specific browsers in this case. it seems more like a shitty dark pattern type thing (which should have consumer protections as well)

    • Snot Flickerman
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      6 months ago

      It could still be argued as net neutrality, because the browser with the largest market share is slowing down bits on their way to a different browser when it comes to their video service.

      It also should be viewed negatively through an anti-competitive/monopolization lens.

      If the internet is truly and open platform where no bits are treated differently on the path to the user based on their content, then this is inherently antithetical to that. Slowing down bits because you don’t like whats in them or where they are going is fundamentally breaking Net Neutrality rules. The interruption of bits on their path is what makes it a Net Neutrality issue.

      • @LeroyJenkins
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        96 months ago

        correct me if I’m wrong but I thought net neutrality by definition was the ISPs doing these shenanigans. at least that’s what I gathered when the whole topic was blowing up with that guy with the face we all up voted on Reddit so he’d show up on Google Images under “punchable faces” or something.

        I agree this is an anti-competitive tactic. that’s what I was referring to as it being a shitty dark pattern thing - to lure people into using their tools.

        • Snot Flickerman
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          86 months ago

          It’s about prioritization of data, which can be through ISPs, but in this case, it’s Google choosing to prioritize or deprioritize data.

          I understand, yes, that’s its generally aimed at ISPs, but this is an example of a non-ISP using data-shaping to impact use of their service.

          • @LeroyJenkins
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            06 months ago

            it seems quite by definition that ISP are what it’s about though

            the principle that internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites. -Oxford Dictionary

            Net neutrality is the principle that an ISP has to provide access to all sites, content, and applications at the same speed, under the same conditions, without blocking or giving preference to any content. -Wikipedia

            Network neutrality—the idea that Internet service providers (ISPs) should treat all data that travels over their networks fairly, without improper discrimination in favor of particular apps, sites or services - EFF

            Net neutrality, principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) should not discriminate among providers of content. -Britannica

            • Snot Flickerman
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              16 months ago

              The fact that its an oversight to not apply it to companies like Google if they are also choosing what traffic gets to people is an oversight, to be sure.

              Google acts as an ISP in a different capacity, as well. Alphabet spun off lots of parts of the company, but last I checked, they’re still technically an ISP. So why wouldn’t rules apply to a business that is also literally an ISP with Google Fiber?

              • @LeroyJenkins
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                6 months ago

                Google is not an ISP lol not when we’re talking about YT

                  • @LeroyJenkins
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                    36 months ago

                    hit post too fast but we’re talking YT here. this isn’t going through their ISP. it literally does not count. if Google fiber added the slow lane, sure net neutrality problem.

              • @LeroyJenkins
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                -16 months ago

                also, it’s not an “oversight”. we’re just literally not talking about net neutrality here and that’s what I’m saying. this isn’t a net neutrality problem lol

                • Snot Flickerman
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                  06 months ago

                  And up until a few months ago Net Neutrality was a dead issue in America, and could be again, because it isn’t a law, it’s an FCC rule. If people report this to the FCC, there’s definitely a chance that they could look at this and amend NN rules to account for it. They can literally change it anytime they want.

                  • @LeroyJenkins
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                    16 months ago

                    bro just admit you got the definition wrong and stop with this please. idc if it should be. it’s not. by definition.

      • Cethin
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        76 months ago

        Anti-trust laws should handle it. Google is using their market power to push users from their competition to their product. It’s pretty basic anti-competition behavior that is covered by classic consumer protection laws. I don’t think there’s any reason why net-neutrality would be needed or apply in this case.

        We still need net-neutrality, just not for this reason.