Some mix of wrong and right, the exact proportions of which I’ll leave as an exercise to the reader.

  • @[email protected]
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    481 year ago

    There is a reason some of us chose to support Debian and its model of allowing downstream companies like Ubuntu (Canonical) to give back up to the open source father. And this is it. We dont need to compromise here. We already have a system that works perfectly and provides a choice for what suits you. If you are an enterprise then try Ubuntu instead of RHEL. If you are a home user you dont need enterprise support and can help us log bug reports and create the next version of Trixie. We need more testers and we have fought this long fight and proven we wont give up. What other proof do you need?

    • redcalcium
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      151 year ago

      I got a feeling that the kind of people that use Rocky or Alma linux would have a heart attack dealing with snap on ubuntu. Maybe they’re better off switching to Debian LTS instead.

      • @warmaster
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        As an inexperienced user, I can tell you that Debian is way harder to use than most people think. Out of the box, the distro is pretty bare ones. I’m having a blast using an Arch based distro, but on Debian I had to do everything manually. Stable is freaking old, and Unstable has lots of limitations, Docker for example is a true pain.

        Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, POP OS, are way better than Debian for users like me.

        • redcalcium
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          161 year ago

          Stable is freaking old

          Red hat users would feel right at home, right?

        • @reddit_sux
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          71 year ago

          Stable is freaking old and unstable.

          I ll give you old but not at all unstable, wonder what instability have you found in LTS.

          • Gilberto
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            31 year ago

            I think he meant: Stable is freaking old. Unstable has a lot of limitations.

            • @warmaster
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              21 year ago

              Indeed, I edited my comment to better convey my point. Thanks for being so good at reading comprehension.

          • @warmaster
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            11 year ago

            My bad. I meant the Stable branch is old, which is good for lots of use cases, but not mine. And the Unstable branch which Docker for example, doesn’t support. I edited my original comment to better represent what I’m trying to say.

          • Sir Aramis
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            Pretty sure the whole statement is

            Stable is freaking old, and unstable has lots of limitations

            I don’t think they’re saying Debian LTS is unstable.

            • @warmaster
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              21 year ago

              Exactly what my bad wording meant to say. Thank you for your extraordinary reading comprehension.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 year ago

            A lot of people (incorrectly) equate “stable” with “bug-free”. So conversely, having bugs would be “unstable”.

          • @ghariksforge
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            11 year ago

            It’s more stable to be on the latest versions than to carry around bugs and issues that were solved 5 years ago.

        • Stanford
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          71 year ago

          Reading this, I wonder if we talk about the same Debian 😆

            • @warmaster
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              21 year ago

              Arch based, not the same thing. Crystal Linux bundles everything out of the box, so noobs like me don’t have to do anything.

          • @warmaster
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            11 year ago

            Same Debian, different kind of user. I’m sure you know your way around Debian much more than me.

        • Reef
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          I’m having a blast using an Arch based distro, but on Debian I had to do everything manually

          how???

          • @warmaster
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            11 year ago

            I just flashed a thumbdrive and installed Crystal Linux, everything worked out of the box. Everything I needed was bundled.

        • @liara
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          Stable is quite fresh as of 16 days ago. Debian’s release cycle isn’t exactly 2 years (like Ubuntu), but it’s pretty darn close. The only thing Ubuntu really has going for it in terms of additional user-friendliness are PPAs and some additional things like newer versions of GCC as your fingertips. 3rd party software frequently maintain repos for both Debian and Ubuntu though, so compatibility itself is rarely ever a concern.

          That said, it’s not worth having Canonical injecting their corporate opinion in my server or desktop environments and prefer the more community oriented approach that Arch and Debian take. That said, I don’t consider Debian to be an exceptional desktop oriented distro, but if we’re talking enterprise-oriented workloads, we’re typically discussing server appliances, which is where Debian excels over Ubuntu, imo.

          • @warmaster
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            11 year ago

            I absolutely agree on Canonical, and how they turned out to be. I don’t want anything of what they try to force down my throat. I don’t want Snaps, Ads, crazy stuff like Amazon (WTF!?) or crap like that in my distro.

            Regarding Stable, before Debian 12, it was very old. I can’t adjust to their release cycle. Not on my desktop. Although on a server, It’s totally the way to go. I’m planning on installing Proxmox on my homelab, which is based on Debian.

          • @warmaster
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            11 year ago

            You must be running Debian stable is old. Which is good for a homelab. Debian unstable isn’t supported by Docker.

    • @grue
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      91 year ago

      There is a reason some of us chose to support Debian

      It’s amazing how some people have to learn the lesson that you can only trust non-profit foundations, not for-profit corporations, over and over again, and then even then it still somehow never seems to stick.