What’s the mystery? He was old and had serious heart problems. He argued with the assholes ruining/running Florida for a long time. He went out into the hall, had a heart attack and died. The self-absorbed DeSantites didn’t notice for quite a while, then they tried to obfuscate what had happened. The actual death is not mysterious at all.
No autopsy, and some really bad emergency medical practice is what I consider suspicious. Not extremely suspicious, but suspicious regardless. Obfuscating what happened is weird, but still kinda normal.
Capitol Police officers arrived with an automated external defibrillator (AED) machine. The machine reportedly “could not produce a shock” to jumpstart Antonacci’s heart.
That is not what AEDs are for. To my knowledge, you can’t jumpstart a stopped heart. It also doesn’t explicitly say his heart was stopped, so there is that.
You are right that shocks only work for certain problem heart rhythms. If the AED doesn’t detect a rhythm that a shock can fix, it will say something like no shock advised and won’t shock.
“Machine could not produce a shock” sounds like a bystander who doesn’t understand describing a no shock situation. Either that or maybe AED battery wasn’t charged or faulty.
Ok, I see my issue. I interpreted the sentence to mean that shocks were administered, but the shocks didn’t restart the heart. Thanks for snapping my brain back into the correct context.
Still, if the machine was not functional we could still have the makings of a conspiracy!
Yeah AEDs actually stop the heart. So there are a few heart rhythms that will not produce a pulse but the heart is still moving, just not as a single unit instead just randomly cells contracting. Think bowl of jello. The AED shocks the heart in a way it stuns it with the hope that it will restart with a normal rhythm. If it isn’t moving there is nothing to stop.
Well this can only last so long before the cells die from a lack of oxygen. Which is about 5 minutes, 10 on the long end. So by the time the AED got there he was very dead. Not a full team of doctors and all the tools could have done anything.
This is why you are seeing more and more AEDs in the work place and public places. When you hear the CPR courses talk about early CPR and early AED use it is within five minutes. So that you can buy time for the ambulance to get there and give drugs to keep the person alive till they can get the larger problem fixed.
yea, they will detect if there is a rythem, tell you to start CPR, Beep at the rate you should be administering it, then tell you to stop while it checks if the heart has reastarted. Really helpfull devices.
That’s also no mystery. Conservatives do not value the lives of people and animals the same way normal people do.
Each passing conservative saw the man dying, determined if saving him would benefit them in any way, evaluated if he was “in” or “out” of their group and then chose to keep walking and ignore him. It’s that simple.
What’s the mystery? He was old and had serious heart problems. He argued with the assholes ruining/running Florida for a long time. He went out into the hall, had a heart attack and died. The self-absorbed DeSantites didn’t notice for quite a while, then they tried to obfuscate what had happened. The actual death is not mysterious at all.
No autopsy, and some really bad emergency medical practice is what I consider suspicious. Not extremely suspicious, but suspicious regardless. Obfuscating what happened is weird, but still kinda normal.
That is not what AEDs are for. To my knowledge, you can’t jumpstart a stopped heart. It also doesn’t explicitly say his heart was stopped, so there is that.
You are right that shocks only work for certain problem heart rhythms. If the AED doesn’t detect a rhythm that a shock can fix, it will say something like no shock advised and won’t shock.
“Machine could not produce a shock” sounds like a bystander who doesn’t understand describing a no shock situation. Either that or maybe AED battery wasn’t charged or faulty.
Ok, I see my issue. I interpreted the sentence to mean that shocks were administered, but the shocks didn’t restart the heart. Thanks for snapping my brain back into the correct context.
Still, if the machine was not functional we could still have the makings of a conspiracy!
Yeah AEDs actually stop the heart. So there are a few heart rhythms that will not produce a pulse but the heart is still moving, just not as a single unit instead just randomly cells contracting. Think bowl of jello. The AED shocks the heart in a way it stuns it with the hope that it will restart with a normal rhythm. If it isn’t moving there is nothing to stop.
Well this can only last so long before the cells die from a lack of oxygen. Which is about 5 minutes, 10 on the long end. So by the time the AED got there he was very dead. Not a full team of doctors and all the tools could have done anything.
This is why you are seeing more and more AEDs in the work place and public places. When you hear the CPR courses talk about early CPR and early AED use it is within five minutes. So that you can buy time for the ambulance to get there and give drugs to keep the person alive till they can get the larger problem fixed.
A lot of those machines are programmed to also assist CPR if the defibrillator isn’t helpful, at least the newer ones.
yea, they will detect if there is a rythem, tell you to start CPR, Beep at the rate you should be administering it, then tell you to stop while it checks if the heart has reastarted. Really helpfull devices.
Med tech is fucking insane
The mystery is how he was lying for 20 minutes dying before anyone intervened.
That’s also no mystery. Conservatives do not value the lives of people and animals the same way normal people do.
Each passing conservative saw the man dying, determined if saving him would benefit them in any way, evaluated if he was “in” or “out” of their group and then chose to keep walking and ignore him. It’s that simple.
If only they had read this book with a story about a guy in the street in distress. Or maybe they did and decided to be the bad guys
They like Christianity not for the morals but because they want the people who follow first and ask questions… well, never.
doesn’t it sorta sound like Ron let him die
He’s let a lot of People die.