This is intentionally open ended, use your own definition of best/worst, and explain it.

  • @dragontamer
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    10 months ago

    Vlad Dracula started by impaling all the local corrupt politicians IIRC.

    I mean, he basically impaled anybody who had the slightest flaw. But the locals / Romanians consider almost all of his killings / impalements to be justice. Like, imagine if Batman went around killing people instead of pulling his punches, that’s how the Romanians see Vlad Dracula. Or really, imagine if “The Punisher” were a real life person.

    Its… not who I’d consider heroic. But Vlad Dracula wouldn’t be the “best” or “worst” person on any list of mine. He’s interesting, but not especially extreme on the good or evil axis.

    • @OmenAtom
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      You got any source for him impaling non-ottomans? He specifically chose impaling as it would leave their bodies unburied to deny them access to heaven. There would be no point to doing it to his fellow christians, they get into heaven anyway the fear tactic wouldnt work.

      Muslim men at several points refused to fight him for fear of being denied heaven.

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        10 months ago

        Easter Massacre.

        Vlad invited all the Wallachia boyars over for Easter. During some point of the celebrations, Vlad got up out of his seat, blamed the Boyars for murdering his father, and then took them outside to get them all impaled. Then again, it was likely that the Boyars were about to mutiny vs Vlad and try to depose of him, so who knows what the truth was?

        In any case, after impaling all of those Boyars… Vlad returned and the Easter celebrations continued. Didn’t even break a sweat.

        There would be no point to doing it to his fellow christians, they get into heaven anyway the fear tactic wouldnt work.

        There’s plenty of Christians Vlad decided to impale. He pretty much impaled everybody who he had a problem with. Easter Massacre to start (none of those nobles would have come over unless they were Christian). But it is said that Vlad left a golden cup in the center of his city. If anyone stole it, he hunted them down, impaled them, and then returned the cup to the center of the fountain. To remind people that he’s controlling and protecting the city.


        Wikipedia lists the following story, with regards to at least one Christian being impaled:

        Meistersinger Michael Beheim wrote a lengthy poem about Vlad’s deeds, allegedly based on his conversation with a Catholic monk who had managed to escape from Vlad’s prison.[149] The poem, called Von ainem wutrich der heis Trakle waida von der Walachei (“Story of a Despot Called Dracula, Voievod of Wallachia”), was performed at the court of Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor in Wiener Neustadt during the winter of 1463.[149][150] According to one of Beheim’s stories, Vlad had two monks impaled to assist them to go to heaven, also ordering the impalement of their donkey because it began braying after its masters’ death.[149] Beheim also accused Vlad of duplicity, stating that Vlad had promised support to both Matthias Corvinus and Mehmed II but did not keep the promise.[149]

        There would be no point to doing it to his fellow christians, they get into heaven anyway the fear tactic wouldnt work.

        Ummmmmmm. You know that Vlad the Impaler used blunt sticks, right?

        A lot of the impaled were alive for a few days while they hung outside of his cities. Squirming and wailing, dying a slow tortuous death. IIRC: Vlad was of the opinion that if he killed an honest man, they’d go to heaven anyway so no biggie.

        The main problem though with Vlad Dracula is that the bounds of his brutality waver between fact and fiction. Much of what we know was from legends or folklore, as opposed to history. But there’s plenty of stories of Vlad Dracula killing (and impaling) Christians. The German stories (or anyone to the West) got extremely brutal writings about Vlad. While the more Eastern writings were … well still brutal and no doubts about the widespread impalments… but they have a sense of justice involved.