cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/9405812
“We are going to do something that I will say is slightly controversial but it shouldn’t be. We are going to indemnify policemen and precincts and states and cities from being sued. We want them to do their job. Our police and law enforcement has to come back and they want to come back and they want to do their job. And we are going to indemnify them so they don’t lose their wife, their family, their pension, and their job. We are going to indemnify policemen and law enforcement. We are going to tell them to get out, we love you, do your job.” – Trump, speaking last night at the New York Young Republicans Club gala.
Trump going after the tyrant vote.
It’s not. We are four years too late. We need to prevent a fascist takeover, then try to make progress.
That is what they said last time, too. Complete with a promise of “one term”
Why should anyone believe you (and Biden) this time?
What alternative do you have? What viable plan can you enact to change the likely outcome and still avoid fascism?
“you’ll vote for who we tell you, and you’ll like it. By the way. You can either choose [objectively bad] or [worse] candidates. HOW DARE YOU ask for better.”
that all you’re saying. You’re arguments are unconvincing… and not even addressing the point: with BIDEN/the ‘moderate’ democrats… we’re still sliding into fascism. Just not as fast as we would with Trump. So. are you really concerned about fascism… or do you just want it on your terms?
Ask all you want. Wish for them, even. But that’s not an actionable plan, and that’s the problem. That’s why I point out that progressive ideologues are naive.
Who do you suggest we all vote for, and how do you plan to convince the “herd of cats” that is the political left?
Getting kind of tired of answering this.
Bernie. AoC. Even Phillips would be better.
Sorting it out would be a lot easier if the “herd of cats” as you called us got a legitimate say in, I don’t know, not-actually-rigged primaries.
That would be lovely. But that’s still wishful thinking, not an actual plan, and that’s the problem. The reality is the primaries are “rigged” by a fuck-ton of money, which you nodded to in your own assessment. We can’t have nice things as long as money decides most elections.
But there’s also, in my opinion, the greater problem of the tribal right. They can literally invent their own reality, stoke the various “Panics,” and lose none of their voters. They will vote as reliable bloc with the unified purpose of defeating their invisible and insidious enemies, be they imagined demons, “woke Leftists,” or some other invented monsters.
I call the Left “a herd of cats,” because we generally have no unified purpose. People, rightly, ask their leaders, “What have you done for me lately,” but that is a privilege we no longer have when right wing Fascism is a year away.
I want good leaders, too, but I want to survive to make them happen, and a year is simply not long enough to build the money and momentum needed in this FPTP system.
Still, I hope you and everyone vote for their favorite person in the primaries, and maybe we’ll get that miracle candidate by pure luck.
That’s exactly the point I’m getting tired of making. the DNC has been “surviving to make it happen” for longer than I’ve been a voter. The only presidential candidate that really generated excitement was Obama. even then, that turned out to be surprisingly hollow. Obamacare turned out to be lackluster, even before the GOP got their hands on it and ripped out a lot of it horse trading.
every other finalized candidate has been insanely disappointing. the only time any of them even bother to acknowledge that millennials and gen z even exist is when some staffer points out ‘gee your polling really sucks. they don’t like you’. then they run something out about something they think we still care about (how much you wanna bet the next one is reducing import costs on avacado toast?) I.E. Biden’s silence on abortion. (he’s personally apposed to unrestricted access but keeps his mouth shut because he ain’t dumb.) (did he even actually try to codify RvW?) or the student loan debt (which so far, isn’t so much anything new, but rather, honoring agreements that were- fraudulently- ignored?) (the, uh, student loan debt that took a gone-viral report on that bullshit to get his administration to even look at.)
at a certain point, you have to stop treading water waiting for the ship to come back and start swimming to the island. the ship ain’t coming back.
thank you
And the time before that, and the time before that…… it’s literally what they say every four years.
I don’t know about that, I’ve been paying attention since 2004ish and I don’t remember Romney being portrayed as a destroyer of democracy, his big thing was “binders of women” and tying his dog to the roof of his car… Lol Same with McCain, our biggest issue with McCain was Palin and the absolute joke of a person she is with all the newspapers she definitely totally reads.
Technically, Romney was before I was legally allowed to vote. Just saying.
McCain… the rhetoric was there if it was less “end of democracy” and more … a different kind of end to democracy? I dunno. They’ve been using scare tactics to insist we need to vote for their still-pretty-bad candidate.
(Except Obama, I didn’t think I’d like him… but he was okay.)