Any government is capable of fascism and capable of genocide.
There’s an explicitly fascist and genocidal player in this conflict. And spoiler alert, it isn’t the Israelis.
I think you might want to check on the people who had an election on 25 January 2006, seized power after that and refused any further elections. Explicitly run a Muslim ethno-state and terrorist tactics, and wish to kill the Jews from “River to the Sea”.
Hey ding dong, not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas and the average age of Palestinians is 19. The average Palestinian did not vote in 2006.
Yet Israel cut the power, food, and aid for the entire nation because of terrorists that live among them. Then they proceeded to murder over 20,000 civilians (almost certainly an undercount). And in their bloodlust, they managed to execute 3 people waving a white flag with their shirts off… Hostages.
You want to talk about how terrible Hamas is when the IDF is indiscriminately killing everyone they find? Dropping bombs in the most population dense regions of the world?
The world isn’t black and white, there can be two terrible actors. And right now, the IDF has already killed 20x the number of people killed by Hamas on Oct 7. With no signs of wanting to stop.
And for someone that wants to “school” people on history, perhaps take the 5 seconds to Google what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means. Hint, it’s not “kill all the Jews in Israel”.
Maybe Hamas should get uniforms and follow the international rules of War so that Israel knows who to bomb and who is a civilian. Hmmmmm?
Without uniforms, without a regular army, Hamas is causing this problem to occur to their own people.
Geniva conventions don’t just apply to Israel. They also apply to Hamas, and Hamas is breaking a metric ton of rules here. The natural result is that Israel doesn’t want to play by the rules either.
You should reread what you just wrote. Because Hamas is immoral, Israel can be immoral.
Really reflect on that. Sit with the fact that you just cheered on Israel for murdering Jewish hostages.
Perhaps you might understand why you and everyone that thinks like you are being called a Nazi. You don’t care about wonton killing because the dirty Palestinians have it coming. After all, they aren’t human, they are animals that are breeding too heavily. Correct?
Stuffing words in my mouth isn’t a debate yo. But if it makes you feel like an adult feel free to do it I guess.
In the meantime,. Simply pointing out that genocide is a term above and beyond Israel’s conduct and y’all go fucking nuts over the simple fact.
As I stated before: USA killed way more Japs during the Firebombing campaign of Tokyo and 2x nuclear weapons upon cities. There is a huge difference between brutality (and what is forgivable in war) vs genocide, the unforgivable.
But y’all are apparently unstudied in History and everything is just black and white to you. Life is more than just Nazi / not a Nazi.
After all, they aren’t human
Erm. Geniva conventions… Like rules on how to surrender or wearing uniforms is about protecting your side.
If a soldier shoots at the enemy and then runs into a Hospital, and keeps on shooting, Geniva Conventions are rightfully suspended and you are legally allowed to shoot at the Hospital.
Do you know how war works? We have rules. If you don’t follow the rules the enemy doesn’t have to follow the rules.
Hamas is an irregular army that fights using dishonorable tactics. They do not deserve Geneva Conventions because they themselves do not follow them.
It’s like how the Russians attacked those surrendering Ukrainians on camera. That’s a war crime. What does that mean? It means that Ukrainians don’t feel like performing official surrender routines as per war conventions anymore.
There’s no one out there who enforces war crimes. It’s all just a code of honor. But if the enemy doesn’t follow the code, then the code is rightfully suspended.
It has nothing to do with humanity and everything to do with practicality.
Gotcha, so because hamas isn’t playing dress up, it’s ok to murder children. After all, it’s very practical to just shoot and bomb everything. A final solution of sorts.
This saddens me because my right wing buddies warned about how dumb y’all were with the Nazi comparisons. I didn’t believe him, but you’ve convinced me.
Last word of advice: stop proving my far right friends correct. What you are doing right now is such a hilariously bad argument that it’s literally pushing me to agree with the far right.
Fortunately, there are other, smarter, people to discuss this issue with around here.
I highly suggest you talk with someone with war experience by the way. It’s clear you are ignorant on those matters. There are plenty of veterans who can tell you about the importance of uniforms and how/why uniforms protect civilians.
War goals will be met by warring parties. The point is to give fair fights to differentiate civilians from military. If you forget military uniforms then yes, it basically condemns the local population to getting shot up by the soldiers. No one likes it when this happens, but yeah, you need to dress differently and highlight yourself as a legitimate target as per modern rules and conventions of war.
That’s the rule. That’s the Geneva convention. If you don’t like it, then change the rule I guess or something, but good luck getting the United Nations to agree on a new set of rules.
These conventions and agreements are far bigger than you or me. It’s not about like or dislike of the rules. I’m just letting ya know what the rules that have been established are.
This saddens me because my right wing buddies warned about how dumb y’all were with the Nazi comparisons.
Perhaps if you even just fucking acknowledge that killing civilian children is a bad thing we’d stop viewing you and your rightwing buddies as nothing more than fascists cheering on a fascist government.
hilariously bad argument
Then why haven’t you ACTUALLY addressed it? Your argument is “Killing children is fine so long as we are fighting terrorists”. That’s not addressing the morality of what Israel is doing, it’s giving them a blank check to do whatever in the name of fighting the bad guys.
I highly suggest you talk with someone with war experience by the way
Oh, fuck right off with this. I absolutely have friends with military experience and there is such a thing as “rules of engagement”. Guess what wouldn’t have happened in the US military? We would not have shot unarmed civilians with their hands up waving a white flag. Perhaps go talk to someone with ACTUAL military experience and not your far right commando buddies who larp as military officers in their camps. You don’t shoot until you are shot at. Unless you are israel and you are just trying to kill arabs.
No one likes it when this happens
You sure? You don’t seem very upset that this is happening.
These conventions and agreements are far bigger than you or me. It’s not about like or dislike of the rules. I’m just letting ya know what the rules that have been established are.
You like to talk about the Geneva conventions, so how about you fucking read them.
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.
An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.
The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.
The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.
Do you see the line in there that says “unless the other side isn’t playing dressup, then all bets are off”. Because I sure as fuck don’t. Israel is killing unarmed civilians. A fact that is undisputed because they fucking killed their own unarmed hostages.
The Geneva convention does not have a “you don’t have to follow this if the other side isn’t” clause. Or if it does, actually cite it rather than continuing this thread repeating that dumbass line over and over again.
Lulz. You can’t even read. The passage you’re quoting is about prisoners. Please man…
Seriously, talk to a soldier. Your ignorance is really obvious at this point. And doubling down by copying/pasting random text from the Geneva Conventions isn’t doing you any favors.
Hamas also plays recordings of Hebrew in order to draw in IDF soldiers… who are then ambushed. Hence the shooting at the people waving white flags. Hamas has intentionally turned the entire strip into a conflict zone. They need civilians dead in order to keep their supporters riled up and ya, we’re all really worked up about it.
There’s an explicitly fascist and genocidal player in this conflict. And spoiler alert, it isn’t the Israelis.
I think you might want to check on the people who had an election on 25 January 2006, seized power after that and refused any further elections. Explicitly run a Muslim ethno-state and terrorist tactics, and wish to kill the Jews from “River to the Sea”.
It isn’t Israelis. It’s Israel, though, as a country. An apartheid country.
Hey ding dong, not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas and the average age of Palestinians is 19. The average Palestinian did not vote in 2006.
Yet Israel cut the power, food, and aid for the entire nation because of terrorists that live among them. Then they proceeded to murder over 20,000 civilians (almost certainly an undercount). And in their bloodlust, they managed to execute 3 people waving a white flag with their shirts off… Hostages.
You want to talk about how terrible Hamas is when the IDF is indiscriminately killing everyone they find? Dropping bombs in the most population dense regions of the world?
The world isn’t black and white, there can be two terrible actors. And right now, the IDF has already killed 20x the number of people killed by Hamas on Oct 7. With no signs of wanting to stop.
And for someone that wants to “school” people on history, perhaps take the 5 seconds to Google what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means. Hint, it’s not “kill all the Jews in Israel”.
Hmmm. I wonder how we can solve those problems.
Maybe Hamas should get uniforms and follow the international rules of War so that Israel knows who to bomb and who is a civilian. Hmmmmm?
Without uniforms, without a regular army, Hamas is causing this problem to occur to their own people.
Geniva conventions don’t just apply to Israel. They also apply to Hamas, and Hamas is breaking a metric ton of rules here. The natural result is that Israel doesn’t want to play by the rules either.
You should reread what you just wrote. Because Hamas is immoral, Israel can be immoral.
Really reflect on that. Sit with the fact that you just cheered on Israel for murdering Jewish hostages.
Perhaps you might understand why you and everyone that thinks like you are being called a Nazi. You don’t care about wonton killing because the dirty Palestinians have it coming. After all, they aren’t human, they are animals that are breeding too heavily. Correct?
Stuffing words in my mouth isn’t a debate yo. But if it makes you feel like an adult feel free to do it I guess.
In the meantime,. Simply pointing out that genocide is a term above and beyond Israel’s conduct and y’all go fucking nuts over the simple fact.
As I stated before: USA killed way more Japs during the Firebombing campaign of Tokyo and 2x nuclear weapons upon cities. There is a huge difference between brutality (and what is forgivable in war) vs genocide, the unforgivable.
But y’all are apparently unstudied in History and everything is just black and white to you. Life is more than just Nazi / not a Nazi.
Erm. Geniva conventions… Like rules on how to surrender or wearing uniforms is about protecting your side.
If a soldier shoots at the enemy and then runs into a Hospital, and keeps on shooting, Geniva Conventions are rightfully suspended and you are legally allowed to shoot at the Hospital.
Do you know how war works? We have rules. If you don’t follow the rules the enemy doesn’t have to follow the rules.
Hamas is an irregular army that fights using dishonorable tactics. They do not deserve Geneva Conventions because they themselves do not follow them.
It’s like how the Russians attacked those surrendering Ukrainians on camera. That’s a war crime. What does that mean? It means that Ukrainians don’t feel like performing official surrender routines as per war conventions anymore.
There’s no one out there who enforces war crimes. It’s all just a code of honor. But if the enemy doesn’t follow the code, then the code is rightfully suspended.
It has nothing to do with humanity and everything to do with practicality.
Gotcha, so because hamas isn’t playing dress up, it’s ok to murder children. After all, it’s very practical to just shoot and bomb everything. A final solution of sorts.
This saddens me because my right wing buddies warned about how dumb y’all were with the Nazi comparisons. I didn’t believe him, but you’ve convinced me.
Last word of advice: stop proving my far right friends correct. What you are doing right now is such a hilariously bad argument that it’s literally pushing me to agree with the far right.
Fortunately, there are other, smarter, people to discuss this issue with around here.
I highly suggest you talk with someone with war experience by the way. It’s clear you are ignorant on those matters. There are plenty of veterans who can tell you about the importance of uniforms and how/why uniforms protect civilians.
War goals will be met by warring parties. The point is to give fair fights to differentiate civilians from military. If you forget military uniforms then yes, it basically condemns the local population to getting shot up by the soldiers. No one likes it when this happens, but yeah, you need to dress differently and highlight yourself as a legitimate target as per modern rules and conventions of war.
That’s the rule. That’s the Geneva convention. If you don’t like it, then change the rule I guess or something, but good luck getting the United Nations to agree on a new set of rules.
These conventions and agreements are far bigger than you or me. It’s not about like or dislike of the rules. I’m just letting ya know what the rules that have been established are.
Perhaps if you even just fucking acknowledge that killing civilian children is a bad thing we’d stop viewing you and your rightwing buddies as nothing more than fascists cheering on a fascist government.
Then why haven’t you ACTUALLY addressed it? Your argument is “Killing children is fine so long as we are fighting terrorists”. That’s not addressing the morality of what Israel is doing, it’s giving them a blank check to do whatever in the name of fighting the bad guys.
Oh, fuck right off with this. I absolutely have friends with military experience and there is such a thing as “rules of engagement”. Guess what wouldn’t have happened in the US military? We would not have shot unarmed civilians with their hands up waving a white flag. Perhaps go talk to someone with ACTUAL military experience and not your far right commando buddies who larp as military officers in their camps. You don’t shoot until you are shot at. Unless you are israel and you are just trying to kill arabs.
You sure? You don’t seem very upset that this is happening.
You like to talk about the Geneva conventions, so how about you fucking read them.
Article 3 https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-protection-civilian-persons-time-war
Do you see the line in there that says “unless the other side isn’t playing dressup, then all bets are off”. Because I sure as fuck don’t. Israel is killing unarmed civilians. A fact that is undisputed because they fucking killed their own unarmed hostages.
The Geneva convention does not have a “you don’t have to follow this if the other side isn’t” clause. Or if it does, actually cite it rather than continuing this thread repeating that dumbass line over and over again.
Sure its a bad thing.
Lulz. You can’t even read. The passage you’re quoting is about prisoners. Please man…
Seriously, talk to a soldier. Your ignorance is really obvious at this point. And doubling down by copying/pasting random text from the Geneva Conventions isn’t doing you any favors.
Hamas also plays recordings of Hebrew in order to draw in IDF soldiers… who are then ambushed. Hence the shooting at the people waving white flags. Hamas has intentionally turned the entire strip into a conflict zone. They need civilians dead in order to keep their supporters riled up and ya, we’re all really worked up about it.