• @Dehydrated
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    6 months ago

    Yes, but users should be able to manually whitelist defederated instances so they can interact with such an instance, if they want to. Lemmygrad shouldn’t be visible by default, but if you really like communist tankie shit, you should be able to manually allow it I guess.

    • @ttmrichter
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      166 months ago

      Replace “communist tankie shit” with “CSAM” or “torture porn” or such and see if that makes any sense to you (keeping in mind that all content from your “whitelisted” stuff is stored on the server owner’s hardware).

      • @Dehydrated
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        46 months ago

        Ok, you’re right, I didn’t think about that. Let’s just say that federation/defederation is a tricky question.

        • @LifeInMultipleChoice
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          46 months ago

          Seems pretty simple. If you want to be able to see the content on an instance that everyone else has defederated from, create an account on that instance as well. Apps allow for pretty seamless usage of multiple accounts. That’s the easy alternative to the constant “make your own instance and run it yourself response”

          • xigoi
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            16 months ago

            What’s the point of federation if you need to make multiple accounts anyway?

            • Carighan Maconar
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              36 months ago

              Federation isn’t the same as “practically the same server”. That’s just Twitter or Reddit you’re describing then, a single fully unified pot of information that is still spread out over a vast amount of individual servers for only for parallelization and redundancy reasons.

              Federated applications like Lemmy are, as the name implies, federated. Not merged or unified or so.

              • xigoi
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                6 months ago

                E-mail is also a federated protocol. Imagine if every time you wanted to send an e-mail, you had to check whether your provider likes the recipient’s provider and if not, create an account at the recipient’s provider (if that’s even possible).

                • Carighan Maconar
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                  26 months ago

                  Oh you mean like that thing email servers do when they block other email servers. Yeah imagine that. That’d be wild! 😂

                  • xigoi
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                    16 months ago

                    Yeah, I know that and how the same people who support defederation love to complain about Gmail and Outlook blocking their home server.

              • @LifeInMultipleChoice
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                16 months ago

                The main point of federation for me is access to more content without it being run by large corporations. If an instance gets taken over by a toxic group that is bot spamming advertisements or such I can move to another instance and the community lives on without having to find a whole new platform.

          • @Dehydrated
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            06 months ago

            I think self hosting is easier than messing around with multiple accounts on different instances

    • Scrubbles
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      96 months ago

      That’s called setting up your own instance and running it how you want to

      • @Dehydrated
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        16 months ago

        Kinda agree, but chances are high that instances like Beehaw will be unwilling to federate with you

        • @ttmrichter
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          66 months ago

          So it’s freedom of association you’re opposed to then?

        • Carighan Maconar
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          16 months ago

          But isn’t that their own choice then, too?

          I mean, why should they have their freedom restricted?

    • PlasterAnalyst
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      66 months ago

      The way activity pub works is that a user subscribes to something and then the content gets copied to your server. If you allow a user to subscribe to whatever they want, then you’re just going to get illegal content stored on your server.