Unfortunately we proved just before the midterms that there’s a very linear inverse correlation between gas prices and perceived job performance. Refilling the strategic petroleum reserve is electorally smart. Until activists can detach these electoral relaities nothing will change for anyone.
It’s a great reason until there’s an alternative. As long as voters look to gas prices for their votes, taking action that raises them is politically toxic.
Meanwhile leftists are literally criticizing the Biden administration for high gas prices’ impact on the working class.
You want to change it? Let’s change it. Starting with activists.
Progressives are concerned that high gas prices are worsening inequalities, creating tension between activists who want Democrats to do more to condemn big oil and those trying to navigate Russia’s deadly invasion of Ukraine.
that’s not an answer. sure go ahead and kill oil production, make gas prices high and give trump the presidency again. see how that works out for the environment.
I mean. It’s the only answer. You cant see the dominos start to fall like they have this year and decide “let’s pump more oil and maybe some Conservatives will vote for me over trump”. It’s too late and it was too late 10 years ago. This isn’t just a US problem. This is global societal breakdown in the next 10 - 20 years.
You cant see the dominos start to fall like they have this year and decide “let’s pump more oil and maybe some Conservatives will vote for me over trump”.
of course you can. the demand for oil/gas will be there regardless, people aren’t all going to stop driving ICE cars just because Biden cut all US oil production. it’s political suicide, not just for Biden but for US environmental policy in general.
Economic collapse may be the best answer. Endless production and consumption of goods may make people have material improvements to their lives but it is… excessive.
Cmon guys you’re both pretty, lets accept that were doomed and vote Big Asteroid 2024
Really though vote now for the chance to vote again, not that it fucking matters because we’re 40 years late to taking any corrective action, but I’d like to vote again
not exactly business as usual. Biden is doing more than most presidents have. Not enough, but also not nothing. But the fact is not enough will ever be done until public opinion drastically changes.
Until activists can detach these electoral relaities
Which form of jargon is this and what does it mean in English? Is this polisci-speak of some sort? Who is an “activist” in this context, and what would they be detaching from what, and how?
clearly they mean environmental activists. and the “detachment” is accepting that low gas prices is key to getting elected over a republican who would be even worse than Biden for the environment.
Left vs right politics. A lot more useful worv could be done if they accepted the left says they are a friend but doesn’t act it. When transit projects cost so much you can never get transit that is close enough to driving that non fanatics consider not driving (activists often drive too). the leading states for wind power are red not blue - were did the movement go wrong that they are behind?
There is also a lot they can do personally that most don’t. I’ve seen many houses where insulation upgrades would save money but activists often don’t invest. Electric cars are coming, but I wonder how many will buy. many activists complain about large SUVs but then buy them.
how could you know? greenpeace has successfully faught nucaear power at great environmental cost, they think they are environmental activists, by results they are some of the worst (many oil companies small innestmens in green energy of some sort which I’m going toiassert pulls then ahead - this is debatable)
Unfortunately we proved just before the midterms that there’s a very linear inverse correlation between gas prices and perceived job performance. Refilling the strategic petroleum reserve is electorally smart. Until activists can detach these electoral relaities nothing will change for anyone.
Weird how the only viable electoral strategy is indistinguishable from the status quo of making the rich richer at the expense of the poor.
That’s still a bad reason to increase the speed at which we’re killing ourselves.
It’s a great reason until there’s an alternative. As long as voters look to gas prices for their votes, taking action that raises them is politically toxic.
Meanwhile leftists are literally criticizing the Biden administration for high gas prices’ impact on the working class.
You want to change it? Let’s change it. Starting with activists.
Which leftists are these? I’ve yet to run into them.
I still haven’t been able to decipher what kinds of activists you’re alluding to.
Progressive liberals I guess? The Hill, Mar. ’22: Gas prices lead to tensions within Democratic Party
We are out of time.
that’s not an answer. sure go ahead and kill oil production, make gas prices high and give trump the presidency again. see how that works out for the environment.
I mean. It’s the only answer. You cant see the dominos start to fall like they have this year and decide “let’s pump more oil and maybe some Conservatives will vote for me over trump”. It’s too late and it was too late 10 years ago. This isn’t just a US problem. This is global societal breakdown in the next 10 - 20 years.
of course you can. the demand for oil/gas will be there regardless, people aren’t all going to stop driving ICE cars just because Biden cut all US oil production. it’s political suicide, not just for Biden but for US environmental policy in general.
So on we March to our doom.
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Economic collapse is not an answer to anything. Let alone “the only answer”.
All it does is highlight how big of a threat environmentalists are to society
the economy is already collapsing. for us that is.
also oil only means collapse because they made it mandatory.
No it’s not
Economic collapse may be the best answer. Endless production and consumption of goods may make people have material improvements to their lives but it is… excessive.
What good is a dick sucking machine when humanity has driven 70% of species to extinction? Fuck humanity.
The slowest will be the first to go.
Yeah the slowest environmentalists are the biggest threats to society too
not when the opposition would increase the speed even more.
Cmon guys you’re both pretty, lets accept that were doomed and vote Big Asteroid 2024
Really though vote now for the chance to vote again, not that it fucking matters because we’re 40 years late to taking any corrective action, but I’d like to vote again
So business as usual. We were doomed 20 years ago, when we could have had a fighting chance.
not exactly business as usual. Biden is doing more than most presidents have. Not enough, but also not nothing. But the fact is not enough will ever be done until public opinion drastically changes.
Biden signed off on a record number of new oil projects, it’s not business as usual, it’s business is accelerating as usual. Environment be dammed
there’s more to the topic than oil which is a necessary evil for the time being. or would you rather be beholden to OPEC and the Middle East?
but sure, let’s go ahead and ignore everything else.
Right. Kill ourselves slowly.
We’re not killing ourselves
We most assuredly are.
No we are not
K lol have you heard of the limits to growth?
We’re not killing ourselves
I mean we actively are. Who told you were not lol? Are we burning coal and oil?
We’re my killing ourselves
Which form of jargon is this and what does it mean in English? Is this polisci-speak of some sort? Who is an “activist” in this context, and what would they be detaching from what, and how?
clearly they mean environmental activists. and the “detachment” is accepting that low gas prices is key to getting elected over a republican who would be even worse than Biden for the environment.
Left vs right politics. A lot more useful worv could be done if they accepted the left says they are a friend but doesn’t act it. When transit projects cost so much you can never get transit that is close enough to driving that non fanatics consider not driving (activists often drive too). the leading states for wind power are red not blue - were did the movement go wrong that they are behind?
There is also a lot they can do personally that most don’t. I’ve seen many houses where insulation upgrades would save money but activists often don’t invest. Electric cars are coming, but I wonder how many will buy. many activists complain about large SUVs but then buy them.
Are those people activists, or are they professional-managerial class Twitter liberals who think consumer choice is praxis?
how could you know? greenpeace has successfully faught nucaear power at great environmental cost, they think they are environmental activists, by results they are some of the worst (many oil companies small innestmens in green energy of some sort which I’m going toiassert pulls then ahead - this is debatable)