Take into account ND people generally being more … strict to moral rules
Didn’t consider that, but it makes sense. Being moral is important to me, but also practicality - I will visit reddit for info if needed (always with ads blocked), but won’t post or comment.
Could someone please explain to me that white/not white chart? What is white and not white?
I swear I actually don’t know, and I am kind of embarrassed to ask but I just want to know. Is it strictly skin color, like is there an RGBs value that if a person averages a darker saturation then they are not white, and above that bar they are white? Or is it an aggregate of ethnicities that fall into the category of “white”?
Seriously if anyone could help me understand here. I got into an argument with someone not long ago because I said white is not a race, and her friends were backing her up as well.
I think usually ethnicity is a better way of identifying as that takes into account historical, cultural and ancestual similatities within people, rather than race which is mainly concerned with skin colour and physical differences. Race is seeminly a more outdated concept.
In this scenario I would assume White refers to ‘of european / american decent’.
Though someone correct me if I’m off the mark there!
You’re right. White is not a race. Neither is black, brown or purple. People have different levels of melanin in their skin, and that’s it. People come from different cultures, and have different norms / frames of reference. That’s where diversity of opinion comes from.
To boil that down to a binary categorisation based on literal skin colour is reductionist to say the least. Some might be less generous.
The explanation that made the most sense to me is that yes, there is no such thing as race, it’s genetically insignificant. However as a historical construct, we still have to take it into account in order to dismantle things like systemic racism.
It is difficult and not that black and white (pun not intended). I would personally say that for external factors it is skin color. Like how other people perceive you. That’s why the term ‘white-passing’ exists. But for internal factors it is different. Like, for example, I am a quarter black. But just like a lot of people who are a quarter black or anything, I look white. So to other people I am white because they can only see skin color, but I know that’s not the whole truth because I know my family history. But I am still given privileges in society purely based on the fact that I look white that people with darker skin don’t get. I have fully black friend and when we were in high school (didn’t know each other back then yet) we both skipped school so much that we got in trouble with attendance laws in our country. We did the exact same thing, and got community service, but I, as a ‘white’ girl, got to spend it helping out a library, while he, a black young man, had to pick trash at the side of the road.
It is to some extent also influenced by ethnicity, more so in the past than now, like how Italians and the Irish weren’t considered white when they immigrated to America by the people of English descent. But because of the history of colonialism and slavery by majority white countries over majority non-white countries, it has almost exclusively connotations to skin color now.
Of course, ‘race’, in the biological sense, doesn’t actually exist in humans. We’re all the same race, homo sapiens. But we still use the word race today as a shorthand because historically, when people didn’t have as much knowledge about biology as we do now, people did actually think the different skin colors were different human races. So, biologically, neither white nor black nor Latino nor Asian nor whatever is an actual race, but socially, societally speaking, it is a useful shorthand for skin color because of difference in treatment, privilege, education, income, etc etc that comes with it from centuries of oppression, colonialism, slavery, exploitation and (‘scientific’) racism.
That wiki was an amazing read, and it was pretty funny seeing some of Aristotle’s earlier shitposts. Too dark? You’re an L. Too pasty? You are basically a woman. Somewhere in the middle? You are a gigachad.
Some relevant quotes I liked:
Contemporary anthropologists and other scientists, while recognizing the reality of biological variation between different human populations, regard the concept of a unified, distinguishable “White race” as a social construct with no scientific basis.
“White, black, and brown are abridged, abstracted versions of colonizer, slave, and colonized.”
Irene Silverblatt
Blacks and indios were subject to tribute obligations and forbidden to bear arms, and black and indio women were forbidden to wear jewels, silk, or precious metals in early colonial Mexico and Peru.
Those pardos (people with dark skin) and mulattos (people of mixed African and European ancestry) with resources largely sought to evade these restrictions by passing as White.
A brief royal offer to buy the privileges of Whiteness for a substantial sum of money attracted fifteen applicants before pressure from White elites ended the practice.
Real life if is a simulation and we’re inside a videogame
I’m on kbin. It’s just… lightweight reddit basically. I dig it. The one thing we’re all going to lose is the content from 15 years of reddit though. Can’t just magically recreate or replace that in any short time frame.
That content isn’t active discussions anymore, just archive to be searched. It’ll still be there. Just make sure you make new content in the fediverse.
Absolutely, people act like swapping over is no biggie, but there were all kinds of posts that led to obscure answers and provided such simple and pertinent information. Don’t know something, try a google then ask on reddit and someone will be either super helpful or condescending. It’s going to take a LOOOOOOOONG time for people to really swap if ever.
You know, there’s a huge difference between using reddit to find answers/solutions and actually adding content yourself. I’ve swapped in that I’m not posting/commenting on reddit anymore.
I can imagine I will be directed to reddit a lot when in search of specific information, but I’m blocking ads so they won’t get money from that and basically I’ll just be ‘taking’ from them, adding nothing of value really.
conversations over 2 weeks on reddit are entirely dead, though. People think you’re a lunatic for commenting on something over 5 days old, and while older posts are interesting, it’s not the way sites like this are used. Maybe for searches for information, but not conversation.
It very much feels like early Reddit, i do hope for more content but honestly don’t really want it to grow as much as Reddit did and thus become like it
I feel like most of my comments on Reddit were never even read. Like the AskReddit threads with 20K comments. I dont want to scroll through them all, I’ll just read the top comments and move on. I assume others do the same so I feel like if you dont post when it’s a new postz your comment gets buried among the others
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Lemmy doesn’t feel so… young. Feels like people here actually want to say something of substance other than a race to the bottom for karma
Have you seen the beehaw community survey~? https://beehaw.org/post/849832
Neurodivergence makes a lot of sense.
Back on reddit most of autism, adhd aspie memes etc subs felt way more friendly and generally better. Way nicer experience
Take into account ND people generally being more … strict to moral rules (can’t browse reddit without guilt anymore)
Didn’t consider that, but it makes sense. Being moral is important to me, but also practicality - I will visit reddit for info if needed (always with ads blocked), but won’t post or comment.
Gotta wonder why 21% of the people refused to answer whether they were aware of the fediverse before signing up.
Perhaps something along the lines of: skip / I don’t remember?
Yeah I mean, that looks better than what I expect Reddit to be: 13-20
Could someone please explain to me that white/not white chart? What is white and not white?
I swear I actually don’t know, and I am kind of embarrassed to ask but I just want to know. Is it strictly skin color, like is there an RGBs value that if a person averages a darker saturation then they are not white, and above that bar they are white? Or is it an aggregate of ethnicities that fall into the category of “white”?
Seriously if anyone could help me understand here. I got into an argument with someone not long ago because I said white is not a race, and her friends were backing her up as well.
I just wanna understand.
I think usually ethnicity is a better way of identifying as that takes into account historical, cultural and ancestual similatities within people, rather than race which is mainly concerned with skin colour and physical differences. Race is seeminly a more outdated concept.
In this scenario I would assume White refers to ‘of european / american decent’.
Though someone correct me if I’m off the mark there!
You’re right. White is not a race. Neither is black, brown or purple. People have different levels of melanin in their skin, and that’s it. People come from different cultures, and have different norms / frames of reference. That’s where diversity of opinion comes from.
To boil that down to a binary categorisation based on literal skin colour is reductionist to say the least. Some might be less generous.
The explanation that made the most sense to me is that yes, there is no such thing as race, it’s genetically insignificant. However as a historical construct, we still have to take it into account in order to dismantle things like systemic racism.
It is difficult and not that black and white (pun not intended). I would personally say that for external factors it is skin color. Like how other people perceive you. That’s why the term ‘white-passing’ exists. But for internal factors it is different. Like, for example, I am a quarter black. But just like a lot of people who are a quarter black or anything, I look white. So to other people I am white because they can only see skin color, but I know that’s not the whole truth because I know my family history. But I am still given privileges in society purely based on the fact that I look white that people with darker skin don’t get. I have fully black friend and when we were in high school (didn’t know each other back then yet) we both skipped school so much that we got in trouble with attendance laws in our country. We did the exact same thing, and got community service, but I, as a ‘white’ girl, got to spend it helping out a library, while he, a black young man, had to pick trash at the side of the road.
It is to some extent also influenced by ethnicity, more so in the past than now, like how Italians and the Irish weren’t considered white when they immigrated to America by the people of English descent. But because of the history of colonialism and slavery by majority white countries over majority non-white countries, it has almost exclusively connotations to skin color now.
Of course, ‘race’, in the biological sense, doesn’t actually exist in humans. We’re all the same race, homo sapiens. But we still use the word race today as a shorthand because historically, when people didn’t have as much knowledge about biology as we do now, people did actually think the different skin colors were different human races. So, biologically, neither white nor black nor Latino nor Asian nor whatever is an actual race, but socially, societally speaking, it is a useful shorthand for skin color because of difference in treatment, privilege, education, income, etc etc that comes with it from centuries of oppression, colonialism, slavery, exploitation and (‘scientific’) racism.
Wikipedia’s page on white people is a good primer for you to start learning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
More on whiteness as a social construct. Although written from a Canadian standpoint, the info here is still broadly applicable to many Western societies. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/whiteness-is-a-racial-construct-its-time-to-take-it-apart/article32301637/
That wiki was an amazing read, and it was pretty funny seeing some of Aristotle’s earlier shitposts. Too dark? You’re an L. Too pasty? You are basically a woman. Somewhere in the middle? You are a gigachad.
Some relevant quotes I liked:
Real life if is a simulation and we’re inside a videogame
yes exactly! and people actually want to spark discussion. It’s really nice
I’m on kbin. It’s just… lightweight reddit basically. I dig it. The one thing we’re all going to lose is the content from 15 years of reddit though. Can’t just magically recreate or replace that in any short time frame.
One could say you… digg it.
That content isn’t active discussions anymore, just archive to be searched. It’ll still be there. Just make sure you make new content in the fediverse.
Absolutely, people act like swapping over is no biggie, but there were all kinds of posts that led to obscure answers and provided such simple and pertinent information. Don’t know something, try a google then ask on reddit and someone will be either super helpful or condescending. It’s going to take a LOOOOOOOONG time for people to really swap if ever.
You know, there’s a huge difference between using reddit to find answers/solutions and actually adding content yourself. I’ve swapped in that I’m not posting/commenting on reddit anymore.
I can imagine I will be directed to reddit a lot when in search of specific information, but I’m blocking ads so they won’t get money from that and basically I’ll just be ‘taking’ from them, adding nothing of value really.
Same. I’m fine with using reddit for my own benefit, but refuse to give anything to them besides website visit counts.
conversations over 2 weeks on reddit are entirely dead, though. People think you’re a lunatic for commenting on something over 5 days old, and while older posts are interesting, it’s not the way sites like this are used. Maybe for searches for information, but not conversation.
What’s the real difference between Lemmy and Kbin? Like, why use one over the other?
It very much feels like early Reddit, i do hope for more content but honestly don’t really want it to grow as much as Reddit did and thus become like it
I like your thinking!
Agreed. It’s a breath of fresh air from the Reddit mileu, which has seemed to have grown so stale, predictable, and hostile over the years.
I had stopped participating in a lot of subreddits I had been really active in because they just became so large there felt like no point.
I feel like most of my comments on Reddit were never even read. Like the AskReddit threads with 20K comments. I dont want to scroll through them all, I’ll just read the top comments and move on. I assume others do the same so I feel like if you dont post when it’s a new postz your comment gets buried among the others