As negotiations get underway at COP28, we compiled a list of the leading research documenting the connection between meat and greenhouse gas emissions.
And yet you’re here because you hate something, mired in a culture of expats from that thing, talking this trash about somebody else; at least vegans have real reasons for it, such as data like OPs. (no i am not vegan.) Your only stated reason is your dislike of what amounts to morality.
Spotted your irony for you.
Maybe stop spewing shit about strawmen? You’re no better a monkey than anyone else. I guess you shouldn’t be shamed for at least trying, but that’s all the vegans are doing. They’re just trying harder than you. (with, not to put too fine a point on it, some success.) Perhaps you should try forgiving them that. Maybe even make a decision bigger than “nah, i can’t” from deep down in those cojones you probably have, males being 51% of the population.
I rest my case. Because whatever point you were trying to make, was lost within all the smug insults. I honestly said something that I feel to be true. From experience.
And you come in with the obnoxious arrogance I was taking about.
What exactly am I doing? It’s no secret that vegans have a reputation for being arrogant an obnoxious. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to avoid the stigma that follows such a thing.
I’m being honest about an opinion I have based on a real-world observation.
You’re just here to argue. I’m going to block you now as I don’t exercise the futility of pointless debate.
Maybe we have vastly different experience and takes on the loud minority of vegans.
Just like anything that can define people, there are bad apples. You probably see “those vegans” all the time. They might be arrogant or might not fact-check some of their claims, doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the overall message. They might have some cult mentality, but I see it as a flaw of individuals. They’ll still be obnoxious with whatever label they want to shove to others face, vegan or not.
From there, you have the option to just be vegan and not flaunting how morally superior you are or berate someone else for their lifestyle publicly. It’s just a descriptor of your choice in what you don’t consume (animal products), not some kind of monolith. The vegans who just calmly eating their vegan food without making a fuss flew under your radar.
Considering you said that the biggest deterrents are vegans, I assume you agree with the main points of veganism. IMO, it is a different matter than Christianity because most religion wholly depends on the faith of its followers that their god is the real one, the belief in the absence of strong evidence. The researches of the pro and cons surrounding veganism are still infantile and there are undeniable drawback from going full vegan. But so far, many compelling research say that reducing red meat consumption is good for the environment, which is in dire condition. So veganism is still a moral choice to make, especially if you also think killing animals are immoral.
And yet you’re here because you hate something, mired in a culture of expats from that thing, talking this trash about somebody else; at least vegans have real reasons for it, such as data like OPs. (no i am not vegan.) Your only stated reason is your dislike of what amounts to morality.
Spotted your irony for you.
Maybe stop spewing shit about strawmen? You’re no better a monkey than anyone else. I guess you shouldn’t be shamed for at least trying, but that’s all the vegans are doing. They’re just trying harder than you. (with, not to put too fine a point on it, some success.) Perhaps you should try forgiving them that. Maybe even make a decision bigger than “nah, i can’t” from deep down in those cojones you probably have, males being 51% of the population.
I rest my case. Because whatever point you were trying to make, was lost within all the smug insults. I honestly said something that I feel to be true. From experience.
And you come in with the obnoxious arrogance I was taking about.
Congrats.
And that’s why you can’t see the irony! Cuz you’re doing it too, you did it in your first post, then I did it, and now you’re doing it here.
Come back and reread this convo in six months, you’ll see, I promise.
edit: ps - they weren’t insults. Put your ego aside, it’s the monkeymind. You think I know you or some shit?
What exactly am I doing? It’s no secret that vegans have a reputation for being arrogant an obnoxious. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to avoid the stigma that follows such a thing.
I’m being honest about an opinion I have based on a real-world observation.
You’re just here to argue. I’m going to block you now as I don’t exercise the futility of pointless debate.
Maybe we have vastly different experience and takes on the loud minority of vegans.
Just like anything that can define people, there are bad apples. You probably see “those vegans” all the time. They might be arrogant or might not fact-check some of their claims, doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the overall message. They might have some cult mentality, but I see it as a flaw of individuals. They’ll still be obnoxious with whatever label they want to shove to others face, vegan or not.
From there, you have the option to just be vegan and not flaunting how morally superior you are or berate someone else for their lifestyle publicly. It’s just a descriptor of your choice in what you don’t consume (animal products), not some kind of monolith. The vegans who just calmly eating their vegan food without making a fuss flew under your radar.
Considering you said that the biggest deterrents are vegans, I assume you agree with the main points of veganism. IMO, it is a different matter than Christianity because most religion wholly depends on the faith of its followers that their god is the real one, the belief in the absence of strong evidence. The researches of the pro and cons surrounding veganism are still infantile and there are undeniable drawback from going full vegan. But so far, many compelling research say that reducing red meat consumption is good for the environment, which is in dire condition. So veganism is still a moral choice to make, especially if you also think killing animals are immoral.
Disclaimer: I’m not a vegan.
he says as he huffs and puffs