Sorry, nvm, I guess I didn’t understand that we were fearmongering about the evil chinese technology brainwashing our youths with their wiles in this comments section.
Did something about Lemmy make you think we avoid the truth here?
This shit is Vine. We had this same social media platform in 2013, basically. Everyone’s just freaking out about it now because it’s owned by china, and everyone’s been made to worry about threats to national security, even though we can all kind of agree that the american government also sucks and is heinous. It’s giving me some “Only I can bully my little brother!” kinds of vibes. It’s like the same shit as when europeans get brought up, at any point, anywhere, and then americans start making fun of british people having bad teeth and knife crime and stuff, even though they have basically all of that but worse. Nobody’s a nationalist until another country gets brought up, and then suddenly everyone’s the most patriotic proud to be an american motherfucker. It’s cringe. It reminds me of when we started calling them “freedom fries”.
It’s so silly. Lol like Google can hand over everything to the feds and they can harass you, arrest you for dumb shit, fuck with your family, jobs etc. China can’t do much to me over here. Plus if they wanna spy on me they can just see what’s already public. I’ve never seen evidence TikTok actually gathers or sends anything off that Meta/Facebook or Google does. I mean, can’t these people run a packet capture program? Jeez. Smartphones are corporate controlled spy devices already, so if you’re using one you’re already pretty blown. The problem isn’t TikTok, or the CCP spying on Americans. It’s the spying itself no matter who’s doing it. Plus fucking Blackrock owns 40% of Bytedance. We got our hands in everything. Anyone who thinks the US government can be trusted more than China, and lives in the US is insane. Unless you’re Chinese and have family over there. Then it’s a real problem.
Anyway. Who’s more likely to give the feds everything? China or Google. I don’t think China will give them shit. It’s a moot point anyway because most of US TikTok is handled by servers in the US by a legal US corporation (owned by Bytedance of course). When Blackrock owns 40% though why are we even talking about this stupid shit. It’s a distraction from all the companies and gov here in merica’ fucking us. The CCP sucks ass, they’re horrible, I don’t really trust Bytedance with my data, but I don’t trust Google either.
I don’t get it. Just seems like a bunch of grumpy old millennials. I’d hoped we would be different.
Yeah I think that would be cool. I think we should all be spied on. I think we should all submit everything we’ve ever done to every authority. Every time I’m taking a shit, I record a small video and save it to my publically active telegram channel that’s full of dead al-qaeda members and federal agents posing as them. So dictates the holy doctrine.
I dunno, it’s moreso the fact that people don’t bring up how every other web service is spyware whenever they get brought up. You get a fair number of those complaints, and more on lemmy, where everyone is a linux focused privacy psycho, sure, but I think the disproportionate level of shit flung at tiktok isn’t really organic, and people aren’t judging the app on the actual merit of the thing. If you wanted to, you could pretty easily fling shit at tiktok on the basis that you can’t really control what it is you’re watching at all, and so it can very easily take advantage of people who have no self control. You could judge it on the basis that they implement policies to curate their content pretty heavily to be more attractive (eliminate the uglies). You could judge it on the basis that the platform basically has no active moderation to police speech and will allow very obviously white supremacist and conspiratorial content to flourish. All of those are pretty true criticisms.
But instead, people don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, and they just want to fearmonger about chinese invasion some more. What I’m saying is that the claims spiral into shit like all the kids being brainwashed, on the basis that china has it’s own tiktok, doyun or whatever, you know, when that doesn’t make any fucking sense and those two ideas aren’t really logically connected. China has it’s own everything, for the most part, they exist behind a curtain. Obviously, if they have their own tiktok, which no duh they will, it’s gonna be controlled by the chinese government, and then the chinese government is gonna spin that so their censorship is for the good of the people and for the good of the kids. But then instead, people will accept that claim at face value, and use it to turn around and say that the chinese are brainwashing our kids, when ironically they’ve just bought chinese propaganda. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about. There’s no like, measurement, or self-awareness, of what actually there is to hate about china, people just end up kind of talking shit based on the points that they’ve been fed by propagandists who benefit from their ignorance. People would just as easily hate tiktok if it was censored by the chinese on the basis that “this content isn’t beneficial to society, this content is” type shit, and people actually do already criticize tiktok for that because they’re full of shit and can’t make up their mind and believe the app to basically just be controlled by some foreign red menace government.
Do you see where I’m coming from? People that aren’t willing to actually understand the shit they’re talking about, they just hear a surface level narrative and then decide to parrot that unflinchingly, and then, duh, of course that narrative is gonna be a tool to, in this instance, try to take a bite out of a foreign company in order to get them more tapped into US intelligence, and allow US intelligence more access to their data, while at the same time providing US business interests with a neat and shiny new toy.
Did something about Lemmy make you think we avoid the truth here?
This shit is Vine. We had this same social media platform in 2013, basically. Everyone’s just freaking out about it now because it’s owned by china, and everyone’s been made to worry about threats to national security, even though we can all kind of agree that the american government also sucks and is heinous. It’s giving me some “Only I can bully my little brother!” kinds of vibes. It’s like the same shit as when europeans get brought up, at any point, anywhere, and then americans start making fun of british people having bad teeth and knife crime and stuff, even though they have basically all of that but worse. Nobody’s a nationalist until another country gets brought up, and then suddenly everyone’s the most patriotic proud to be an american motherfucker. It’s cringe. It reminds me of when we started calling them “freedom fries”.
It’s so silly. Lol like Google can hand over everything to the feds and they can harass you, arrest you for dumb shit, fuck with your family, jobs etc. China can’t do much to me over here. Plus if they wanna spy on me they can just see what’s already public. I’ve never seen evidence TikTok actually gathers or sends anything off that Meta/Facebook or Google does. I mean, can’t these people run a packet capture program? Jeez. Smartphones are corporate controlled spy devices already, so if you’re using one you’re already pretty blown. The problem isn’t TikTok, or the CCP spying on Americans. It’s the spying itself no matter who’s doing it. Plus fucking Blackrock owns 40% of Bytedance. We got our hands in everything. Anyone who thinks the US government can be trusted more than China, and lives in the US is insane. Unless you’re Chinese and have family over there. Then it’s a real problem.
Anyway. Who’s more likely to give the feds everything? China or Google. I don’t think China will give them shit. It’s a moot point anyway because most of US TikTok is handled by servers in the US by a legal US corporation (owned by Bytedance of course). When Blackrock owns 40% though why are we even talking about this stupid shit. It’s a distraction from all the companies and gov here in merica’ fucking us. The CCP sucks ass, they’re horrible, I don’t really trust Bytedance with my data, but I don’t trust Google either.
I don’t get it. Just seems like a bunch of grumpy old millennials. I’d hoped we would be different.
Oh also shout out for the amazing MPV and yt-dlp lol. Fuck em all. Get yer’ ships ready lads.
Yeah I’ve heard all this before. Basically you’re advocating for people to opt into spying because their own government does it. No thanks
Yeah I think that would be cool. I think we should all be spied on. I think we should all submit everything we’ve ever done to every authority. Every time I’m taking a shit, I record a small video and save it to my publically active telegram channel that’s full of dead al-qaeda members and federal agents posing as them. So dictates the holy doctrine.
If you want to have a lot of fun, you can let the chinese government and the US government spy on you at the same time!
I dunno, it’s moreso the fact that people don’t bring up how every other web service is spyware whenever they get brought up. You get a fair number of those complaints, and more on lemmy, where everyone is a linux focused privacy psycho, sure, but I think the disproportionate level of shit flung at tiktok isn’t really organic, and people aren’t judging the app on the actual merit of the thing. If you wanted to, you could pretty easily fling shit at tiktok on the basis that you can’t really control what it is you’re watching at all, and so it can very easily take advantage of people who have no self control. You could judge it on the basis that they implement policies to curate their content pretty heavily to be more attractive (eliminate the uglies). You could judge it on the basis that the platform basically has no active moderation to police speech and will allow very obviously white supremacist and conspiratorial content to flourish. All of those are pretty true criticisms.
But instead, people don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, and they just want to fearmonger about chinese invasion some more. What I’m saying is that the claims spiral into shit like all the kids being brainwashed, on the basis that china has it’s own tiktok, doyun or whatever, you know, when that doesn’t make any fucking sense and those two ideas aren’t really logically connected. China has it’s own everything, for the most part, they exist behind a curtain. Obviously, if they have their own tiktok, which no duh they will, it’s gonna be controlled by the chinese government, and then the chinese government is gonna spin that so their censorship is for the good of the people and for the good of the kids. But then instead, people will accept that claim at face value, and use it to turn around and say that the chinese are brainwashing our kids, when ironically they’ve just bought chinese propaganda. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about. There’s no like, measurement, or self-awareness, of what actually there is to hate about china, people just end up kind of talking shit based on the points that they’ve been fed by propagandists who benefit from their ignorance. People would just as easily hate tiktok if it was censored by the chinese on the basis that “this content isn’t beneficial to society, this content is” type shit, and people actually do already criticize tiktok for that because they’re full of shit and can’t make up their mind and believe the app to basically just be controlled by some foreign red menace government.
Do you see where I’m coming from? People that aren’t willing to actually understand the shit they’re talking about, they just hear a surface level narrative and then decide to parrot that unflinchingly, and then, duh, of course that narrative is gonna be a tool to, in this instance, try to take a bite out of a foreign company in order to get them more tapped into US intelligence, and allow US intelligence more access to their data, while at the same time providing US business interests with a neat and shiny new toy.