Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.
Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.
Edit: Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low. None of this has to do with you liking YouTube or not. Nobody cares if you don’t like Google’s data farming. It’s 100% irrelevant.
Then don’t be shocked when they start putting up walls. It’s shocking to me how many people take this as some kind of right and act indignant and make up every excuse under the sun to justify why YouTube should cater to pirates 🤣
If you’re breaking the terms of service to access the service for free absolutely. People have a right to distribute their content as they see fit within the confines of the law. You’re stealing that right. You’d all lose your shit if companies just started ignoring GPL and you all certainly would be calling it theft.
Oh, go ahead and let them place YouTube behind the paywall. We need some new players in this area.
I’m the product in the current YouTube business model, why should I care about their profits?
Also I promise I won’t be whining if YouTube shuts down. I will be celebrating. For now, as they hold monopoly, I will watch them however I wish and help anyone else to do the same.
And yet they were perfectly okay with providing the service for free while they were still busy starving off the competition. No tears for Google shall be shed here.
Please tell google then, if we allow ads, then dont shoot at us 10 unskippable ads.
1 ad per video < 10 minutes.
2 ads per video > 10 < 20.
4 ads per video > 20
+2 ads per extra 10 minutes
Ads maximum length of 30 seconds.
Ads should be monitored for anything illegal or harmfull for the viewer ( Scams, Malicious websites … )
If google chose to do this instead of every minutes 2 unskippable ads ( or soon 5 ) i would think, there would be less adblock users on youtube.
And with that you support more your favorite creator ( if you want to really support him, just give him some bucks on patreon or so ).
Or just suggest him to go to any other video hosting website ( like peertube ) then users will have 0 ads and you can get support over donations.
We can simultaneously move along and criticize their decisions as exploitative double-dipping on their users. Criticizing them thankfully doesn’t require a subscription, or even an account.
Google is already making millions by profiling its users and stealing their data. All these YT changes are not caused by them losing money, but by them not growing enough to please their (multi-millionaires) investors.
(1) I’m not shedding any tears for a corporation that’s big enough to have more money that I’ll ever see in ten lifetimes.
(2) I’m not paying for a “Premium” experience to allow them to keep profiling me (and thus gain more money). They are already gaining money off me, they don’t need my premium subscription.
(3) You should stop arguing in favour of exploitative big corporations that don’t even know you and are probably actively exploiting you in this very moment.
I’m not a freeloader because Google is already making a profit off me by profiling me. They are just being greedy and asking for more. If you are happy donating your hard-earned money to the trillion-dollars corporation that’s exploiting you, good for you. I am a sane individual and I’d rather put that money to good use. In fact, by donating to the WWF, I’m spending less money yearly than a YT premium subscriber, and I’m making someone happy that deserves it more than Google’s sleazy investors.
So you go into restaurants and demand half priced food? The price is the price. Pay it out deal with Google making your videos slow. I’m really not sure how all of you are turning this a value thing. It’s utterly irrelevant.
Your argument falls flat the moment you realize an alternative to YT doesn’t exist because all these bit corporations have spent years either starving off or buying the competition, and they are now happily enjoying the monopoly they have created.
I don’t expect Google to ever cater to me, and I fully expect them to keep their war going against AdBlock. It’s their job to make more money, after all. But the point is, it’s their job, not mine. I’ll keep doing what I think I rightfully deserve, which is, watch a few videos without the hassle of ads provided by the big corporation that has taken my data without my consent, sold it to the highest bidder, and made a fuckload of money off it.
I’m confused about what you’re trying to say, because none of those are YT alternatives.
TikTok is centered on short videos. Twitch is a platform for streamers, mainly for video game content creators. Curiosity Stream is a platform hosting professional documentaries and science shows, it’s great but it has nothing to do with the amateurish nature of YT content.
All of those cater to a specific niche of YT (YT shorts, video game let’s play, and science channels, respectively), but there’s a huge chunk of content that doesn’t appear on any of those services, but is present and thriving on YT.
They had premium light which gave you just a no ad experience and nothing else for about $7/mo. Totally reasonable, I was happy to pay it. Then right at the same time they started going nuclear on ad blocking, they killed that plan and forced everyone to move to a plan that costs about 70% more and added a bunch of stuff I didn’t ask for and will never use. They had those added services available already prior to that change. If I had wanted them I’d already be subscribing. This was just a greedy cash grab.
They’ll just keep jacking the price up and decreasing the quality of service and mining your data and annoying you with ads and algorithmic bullshit just up until they can’t anymore and it stops being optimally profitable. A lot of people will just put up with it, but they lost me as a customer.
It is honestly embarrassing as shit spending 3 hours of your time on a weekend arguing with like a dozen people in defense of one of the highest market cap megacorps in the world. Get a hobby dude.
Is your “you people” targeted at the ones using Adblock?
If so, here’s another approach;
If YouTube actually had a decent ‘premium’ without all the unnecessary “features” in it and the price wasn’t so unreasonable high. People might have paid for it.
In my country YouTube Premium costs €12/monthly which is €144/yearly and for what? Unnecessary features and to block advertisements while still having in-video advertisements (sponsors). No thank you.
People love premium. Let’s not confuse you and lemmys average user with the general public.
$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.
Also, that’s all great that you use tools to get around it. My point is stop bitching about it or acting like Google is evil for blocking people who refuse to pay 🤷♂️
But you don’t pay them directly. Hardly anybody does, except YouTube and whatever midroll sponsor they can hack a deal with. That’s WHY content creators insisted on paydays through YouTube to begin with and why YouTube is trying to make enough money to pay them all and look profitable.
Most Creators have communities where you can voice that desire if they don’t give you the information outright. Some do it through having companies of their own. Merch, coffee, and alcohol are common salespoints. JackSepticeye has a coffee brand and shares a clothing brand with Markiplier. Phillip De Franco also has a coffee brand and a clothing brand. Devin Stone (LegalEagle) doesn’t, but he’s part of the following push:
Some are on other platforms that more directly reward the content creators, like Nebula. This allows them to have a Patreon-like model where some content is publicly available to drum up interest while other deeper or more long-form content exists behind a paywall. Communicate in communities with your favorite creators to find out how you can show them your support more specifically.
I’d agree that people love the tag-name ‘’Premium’’ therefore might pay for it. I’d also say tech-illiterate people will pay for it because of no knowledge.
However most of the general public do find the price-tag absurd.
Also your ‘’€18/monthly is a bargain’’ just makes me think, I’m arguing with a teenager or at least someone who does not pay for themselves (a friend or family member pays for most of things, I suppose). €18/monthly is €216/yearly, that money can be spent elsewhere, important things (food, education and bills).
Not only that you are essentially saying ‘’Hey, Google. You the one who already owns most of the things, you the owner who’s already A billionaire and have immense data of its users – take more money of me’’. Google is essentially evil in the sense that their track-record isn’t clean. Their ways to gain profit/revenue is not really morally nor ethically right. They can just do it because they are one of the biggest companies in the world.
I personally do not care if YouTube blocks itself for me, that just means – I will find another way to gain access to music and videos. There will always be ways, always.
I love how people who disagree with your value assessment are all technology illiterate. Just hand wave away all your problems 🤣.
You’re arguing with a 40 year old with commits to Apache, Python, CNCF, NGinx, TF, and more. So again, your hand waving away because of a different opinion is quite off base.
To address the comment, none of that matters at all and is irrelevant. Yes you can keep on stealing the content and you shouldn’t be shocked every time Google finds a new way to make it more of a pain in the ass. I’m not sure why that’s a difficult concept for most of the readership here.
“Lets just say that person is tech-illiterate without actual knowledge about the particular person - because I have no counterargument”
That what I just read from you.
I’ll just block and ignore you, you’ve proven to be a total troll. Wasted enough of my time and energy on you. Unfortunately.
ETA: if you’re truly 40 y/o, your behavior doesn’t show it. You are behaving like a teenager with the same mentality/mindset as one.
Stealing is entirely different than using an AdBlock. With your “knowledge” in technology, you should know that by now. The question of “is piracy stealing” is a whole another topic which can be argued to infiniteness.
What in the world is motivating you to justify YouTube’s corpo enshittification? If you’re telling the truth, you’re easily old enough to realise that Baron Google isn’t going to share his wealth with useful idiots. Why would you spend your weekend extolling overpriced subscription services and berating ad avoiders on Google’s behalf?
But why the finger wagging? I get that you’d drop in and say “I prefer to pay for premium rather than play cat-and-mouse with Google” but that point was made long ago.
Maybe not the price, but the terms yes, at least partially, which are that I use an adblocker or I don’t use the service. Or pay for a service in which I am the customer and not the product.
And I am really curious to see how Google can force me to use Youtube on its terms when I can simply stop using it.
Stop perpetuating this nonsense that YouTube is free. Google is a for profit company. It was never free. You always paid with your data. And even when you subscribe they continue to profit from your data.
Google makes a healthy profit, with or without your subscription money. They just want more. And more. And more. To satisfy the insatiable greed of shareholders.
Hopefully your passion to pay for ‘free’ services extends to your Lemmy (and other Federated services) instances. Not just monopolies like Google.
I agree with you.
Google is a company and so will do as much as they can to provide as little and to profit as much as possible.
if one wants to use their products, they have to play their game. by either paying (with money and or data, regardless if it’s overpriced) or “cheating” around that - as we do with literally everything else in the free market system, to many other monopolistic shady companies
what’s interesting to see around here is this sense of self entitlement, as if Google owed them anything, and of naivety, as if a company would ever provide a service (which is very costly) for absolutely free. video streaming is not an essential service and didn’t exist until very recently
it may come as a shock, but you don’t need to use any service such as YouTube to survive and you only do because you want to and find value in it (whether to learn new skills or watch people reacting to cats)
the underlying problem here which all of you are actually mad about is the system where technology and knowledge belongs to giant hoarding dragons instead of the people who made it. that’s where we all should be focusing our energy on.
in the meantime, we just keep cheating… and if the cheats fail, we move on to other things
Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.
Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.
Edit: Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low. None of this has to do with you liking YouTube or not. Nobody cares if you don’t like Google’s data farming. It’s 100% irrelevant.
If google stops strip mining my data when I pay for their service, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m not going to pay to be someone’s product.
Then don’t be shocked when they start putting up walls. It’s shocking to me how many people take this as some kind of right and act indignant and make up every excuse under the sun to justify why YouTube should cater to pirates 🤣
Ad blocking is not piracy. That’s like saying that muting ads on broadcast TV is piracy. Get the boot out of your mouth.
You are very much stealing the right to distribution and revenue for creators as well as YouTube.
It’s amazing to see folks still try this tired argument.
No, no you are not. Words have meanings.
Yes. You don’t believe rights can be stolen?
They can pry the mute button from my cold dead heads.
Is that a part of the terms of use? Do you honestly believe that would be enforced under US law? Irrelevant then.
Usually a remote is standard issue with a TV, most(all?) of them have a mute button.
Irrelevant.
Adblocking isn’t piracy though…
“If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”
I bet you think "right click, inspect, delete " is “piracy” too.
If you’re breaking the terms of service to access the service for free absolutely. People have a right to distribute their content as they see fit within the confines of the law. You’re stealing that right. You’d all lose your shit if companies just started ignoring GPL and you all certainly would be calling it theft.
Lol jokes on you. They wouldn’t dare make it completely paywalled.
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Oh, go ahead and let them place YouTube behind the paywall. We need some new players in this area.
I’m the product in the current YouTube business model, why should I care about their profits?
Also I promise I won’t be whining if YouTube shuts down. I will be celebrating. For now, as they hold monopoly, I will watch them however I wish and help anyone else to do the same.
I never said you should care 🤷♂️
I said you shouldn’t be shocked when freeloaders continue to be locked down.
And yet they were perfectly okay with providing the service for free while they were still busy starving off the competition. No tears for Google shall be shed here.
What? They are exactly a billion video and comment streaming platforms.
And I’m not telling you to have years for Google. I’m highlighting that the free ride is over. Pay or use a different service.
Please tell google then, if we allow ads, then dont shoot at us 10 unskippable ads.
1 ad per video < 10 minutes. 2 ads per video > 10 < 20. 4 ads per video > 20 +2 ads per extra 10 minutes
Ads maximum length of 30 seconds. Ads should be monitored for anything illegal or harmfull for the viewer ( Scams, Malicious websites … )
If google chose to do this instead of every minutes 2 unskippable ads ( or soon 5 ) i would think, there would be less adblock users on youtube. And with that you support more your favorite creator ( if you want to really support him, just give him some bucks on patreon or so ). Or just suggest him to go to any other video hosting website ( like peertube ) then users will have 0 ads and you can get support over donations.
None of any of that matters.
If you don’t like it you can move along. That’s what is being said.
We can simultaneously move along and criticize their decisions as exploitative double-dipping on their users. Criticizing them thankfully doesn’t require a subscription, or even an account.
In a nutshell a ad blocker is just a form of protest.
Google is already making millions by profiling its users and stealing their data. All these YT changes are not caused by them losing money, but by them not growing enough to please their (multi-millionaires) investors.
(1) I’m not shedding any tears for a corporation that’s big enough to have more money that I’ll ever see in ten lifetimes.
(2) I’m not paying for a “Premium” experience to allow them to keep profiling me (and thus gain more money). They are already gaining money off me, they don’t need my premium subscription.
(3) You should stop arguing in favour of exploitative big corporations that don’t even know you and are probably actively exploiting you in this very moment.
What does any of that have to with what I said? Great, you don’t like yt, good for you. Who is asking you to shed a tear?
YT doesn’t want freeloaders. Pay up, see ads, or play cat and mouse avoiding them.
I’m not a freeloader because Google is already making a profit off me by profiling me. They are just being greedy and asking for more. If you are happy donating your hard-earned money to the trillion-dollars corporation that’s exploiting you, good for you. I am a sane individual and I’d rather put that money to good use. In fact, by donating to the WWF, I’m spending less money yearly than a YT premium subscriber, and I’m making someone happy that deserves it more than Google’s sleazy investors.
So you go into restaurants and demand half priced food? The price is the price. Pay it out deal with Google making your videos slow. I’m really not sure how all of you are turning this a value thing. It’s utterly irrelevant.
Your argument falls flat the moment you realize an alternative to YT doesn’t exist because all these bit corporations have spent years either starving off or buying the competition, and they are now happily enjoying the monopoly they have created.
I don’t expect Google to ever cater to me, and I fully expect them to keep their war going against AdBlock. It’s their job to make more money, after all. But the point is, it’s their job, not mine. I’ll keep doing what I think I rightfully deserve, which is, watch a few videos without the hassle of ads provided by the big corporation that has taken my data without my consent, sold it to the highest bidder, and made a fuckload of money off it.
Oh so tiktok isn’t real and competing with YT? And twitch is just in my imagination? And I guess the curiosity stream is fake too!
I’m confused about what you’re trying to say, because none of those are YT alternatives.
TikTok is centered on short videos. Twitch is a platform for streamers, mainly for video game content creators. Curiosity Stream is a platform hosting professional documentaries and science shows, it’s great but it has nothing to do with the amateurish nature of YT content.
All of those cater to a specific niche of YT (YT shorts, video game let’s play, and science channels, respectively), but there’s a huge chunk of content that doesn’t appear on any of those services, but is present and thriving on YT.
Nobody is a freeloader on Youtube (or any other Google app)
If you’re blocking ads you are
That assuming that they don’t harvest any data.
Irrelevant.
Fine, I understand. You think that your personal data and preferences have no value for Google (or any other service).
Good for you.
Nope. Irrelevant.
They had premium light which gave you just a no ad experience and nothing else for about $7/mo. Totally reasonable, I was happy to pay it. Then right at the same time they started going nuclear on ad blocking, they killed that plan and forced everyone to move to a plan that costs about 70% more and added a bunch of stuff I didn’t ask for and will never use. They had those added services available already prior to that change. If I had wanted them I’d already be subscribing. This was just a greedy cash grab.
They’ll just keep jacking the price up and decreasing the quality of service and mining your data and annoying you with ads and algorithmic bullshit just up until they can’t anymore and it stops being optimally profitable. A lot of people will just put up with it, but they lost me as a customer.
Correct. Also irrelevant. All of it.
It is honestly embarrassing as shit spending 3 hours of your time on a weekend arguing with like a dozen people in defense of one of the highest market cap megacorps in the world. Get a hobby dude.
I assure you it’s been like 30m of time between shits. If you are angry enough to be checking the history at least get it right.
Is your “you people” targeted at the ones using Adblock?
If so, here’s another approach; If YouTube actually had a decent ‘premium’ without all the unnecessary “features” in it and the price wasn’t so unreasonable high. People might have paid for it.
In my country YouTube Premium costs €12/monthly which is €144/yearly and for what? Unnecessary features and to block advertisements while still having in-video advertisements (sponsors). No thank you.
I will go with uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock.
People love premium. Let’s not confuse you and lemmys average user with the general public.
$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.
Also, that’s all great that you use tools to get around it. My point is stop bitching about it or acting like Google is evil for blocking people who refuse to pay 🤷♂️
Wow your brain really has been taken hostage hasn’t it?
YouTube is a terrible music platform.
YouTube videos aren’t worth that much.
If I’m paying for streaming video content, I prefer to pay the creators directly than let YouTube take an outsize cut.
YouTube has hundreds of times the reach of any other comparable service. They’re milking their monopoly. They can bite a dick.
But you don’t pay them directly. Hardly anybody does, except YouTube and whatever midroll sponsor they can hack a deal with. That’s WHY content creators insisted on paydays through YouTube to begin with and why YouTube is trying to make enough money to pay them all and look profitable.
But I do pay the ones I value directly.
Most Creators have communities where you can voice that desire if they don’t give you the information outright. Some do it through having companies of their own. Merch, coffee, and alcohol are common salespoints. JackSepticeye has a coffee brand and shares a clothing brand with Markiplier. Phillip De Franco also has a coffee brand and a clothing brand. Devin Stone (LegalEagle) doesn’t, but he’s part of the following push:
Some are on other platforms that more directly reward the content creators, like Nebula. This allows them to have a Patreon-like model where some content is publicly available to drum up interest while other deeper or more long-form content exists behind a paywall. Communicate in communities with your favorite creators to find out how you can show them your support more specifically.
I know. I pay the creators I value by means such as that.
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I’d agree that people love the tag-name ‘’Premium’’ therefore might pay for it. I’d also say tech-illiterate people will pay for it because of no knowledge.
However most of the general public do find the price-tag absurd.
Also your ‘’€18/monthly is a bargain’’ just makes me think, I’m arguing with a teenager or at least someone who does not pay for themselves (a friend or family member pays for most of things, I suppose). €18/monthly is €216/yearly, that money can be spent elsewhere, important things (food, education and bills).
Not only that you are essentially saying ‘’Hey, Google. You the one who already owns most of the things, you the owner who’s already A billionaire and have immense data of its users – take more money of me’’. Google is essentially evil in the sense that their track-record isn’t clean. Their ways to gain profit/revenue is not really morally nor ethically right. They can just do it because they are one of the biggest companies in the world.
I personally do not care if YouTube blocks itself for me, that just means – I will find another way to gain access to music and videos. There will always be ways, always.
I love how people who disagree with your value assessment are all technology illiterate. Just hand wave away all your problems 🤣.
You’re arguing with a 40 year old with commits to Apache, Python, CNCF, NGinx, TF, and more. So again, your hand waving away because of a different opinion is quite off base.
To address the comment, none of that matters at all and is irrelevant. Yes you can keep on stealing the content and you shouldn’t be shocked every time Google finds a new way to make it more of a pain in the ass. I’m not sure why that’s a difficult concept for most of the readership here.
“Lets just say that person is tech-illiterate without actual knowledge about the particular person - because I have no counterargument”
That what I just read from you.
I’ll just block and ignore you, you’ve proven to be a total troll. Wasted enough of my time and energy on you. Unfortunately.
ETA: if you’re truly 40 y/o, your behavior doesn’t show it. You are behaving like a teenager with the same mentality/mindset as one.
Stealing is entirely different than using an AdBlock. With your “knowledge” in technology, you should know that by now. The question of “is piracy stealing” is a whole another topic which can be argued to infiniteness.
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What in the world is motivating you to justify YouTube’s corpo enshittification? If you’re telling the truth, you’re easily old enough to realise that Baron Google isn’t going to share his wealth with useful idiots. Why would you spend your weekend extolling overpriced subscription services and berating ad avoiders on Google’s behalf?
God forbid I find value provided by successful companies. THE HORROR!
But why the finger wagging? I get that you’d drop in and say “I prefer to pay for premium rather than play cat-and-mouse with Google” but that point was made long ago.
Finger wagging? I came in and said it’s completely expected for Google to block users and this is somehow controversial.
I don’t generally agree with the corporate side of the argument, but financial support for the platform itself has to come from somewhere.
Thank you for your concern, but I have other ways of avoiding YouTube’s ads and associated punishments.
Neat. None of you really understand the point or can read.
Don’t expect YouTube to cater to you people who just steal 🤷♂️
Whats so complicated?
It is sad that it took me so long but you’re a troll. 100%.
You are a fine example of a troll. Well played.
👌👍 it’s amazing to me how many people can’t read and have turned this into a complicated and personal thing
I already pay, with my data. They stop to harvest data, I pay the service.
And I am not going to pay to be the product.
You 👏 don’t 👏 dictate 👏 the 👏 terms 👏 and 👏 price 👏👏.
My God, you people 🤦♂️.
Maybe not the price, but the terms yes, at least partially, which are that I use an adblocker or I don’t use the service. Or pay for a service in which I am the customer and not the product.
And I am really curious to see how Google can force me to use Youtube on its terms when I can simply stop using it.
What a crazy round about she desperate way to describe being forced off a service lol
Following your logic, I am forced off every service I don’t use because I don’t need it. Interesting.
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Stop perpetuating this nonsense that YouTube is free. Google is a for profit company. It was never free. You always paid with your data. And even when you subscribe they continue to profit from your data.
Google makes a healthy profit, with or without your subscription money. They just want more. And more. And more. To satisfy the insatiable greed of shareholders.
Hopefully your passion to pay for ‘free’ services extends to your Lemmy (and other Federated services) instances. Not just monopolies like Google.
I agree with you. Google is a company and so will do as much as they can to provide as little and to profit as much as possible.
if one wants to use their products, they have to play their game. by either paying (with money and or data, regardless if it’s overpriced) or “cheating” around that - as we do with literally everything else in the free market system, to many other monopolistic shady companies
what’s interesting to see around here is this sense of self entitlement, as if Google owed them anything, and of naivety, as if a company would ever provide a service (which is very costly) for absolutely free. video streaming is not an essential service and didn’t exist until very recently
it may come as a shock, but you don’t need to use any service such as YouTube to survive and you only do because you want to and find value in it (whether to learn new skills or watch people reacting to cats)
the underlying problem here which all of you are actually mad about is the system where technology and knowledge belongs to giant hoarding dragons instead of the people who made it. that’s where we all should be focusing our energy on.
in the meantime, we just keep cheating… and if the cheats fail, we move on to other things
One rational person in a sea of anger.