… because the point is pointing out that it’s insane that some Western self-proclaimed leftists are supporting an imperialist war, not that it’s insane that Russia and the GOP are both fascist (which anyone with a hint of sense already knew)?
Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Yet both of you keep using both terms throughout this post.
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
YOU (…) somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
Yes, which is what makes it all the weirder than Western MLs still simp for them.
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You realize it’s literally using the hammer and sickle and is further contributing to anti-communist and pro-fascist and capitalist sentiment right?
This is such a braindead post it’s hilarious lmao
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… because the point is pointing out that it’s insane that some Western self-proclaimed leftists are supporting an imperialist war, not that it’s insane that Russia and the GOP are both fascist (which anyone with a hint of sense already knew)?
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Have fun, fascist.
Head empty. No thoughts. Must blindly insult anyone who dares not support the US or its allies
Though ig Ukraine isn’t much of a US ally anymore since they’re moving funding over to Israel’s genocide
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Yeah, when you stop people from genociding their neighbors they develop a grudge.
It’s just good old fashioned American diabolism.
Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
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Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Does that clarify things for you?
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
Plenty to learn from, not much to emulate.
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They’re arguing in bad faith. Ignore them.
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Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
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Broadly, they’d be examples of tankies supporting the conflict.
As for the rest, it’s sitting with you to continue the conversation by answering my follow-up questions.
lmao
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