Ford is cutting production of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup. Although sales increased by 55 percent last year, they're growing more slowly than the company anticipated.
I hate it because you can’t see 20 feet in front of you. My friends got an R1 and like it, but admit that the hood is so high and flat that they can’t see if their own kids are in front of them.
I hate thar trend in newer cars for the hoods to keep getting higher and boxier. It sucks for driver visibility and is even worse for pedestrian safety.
Probably, but the boxy hood/grille are 100% an aesthetic choice and wouldn’t be required regardless of whether it had a frunk or had an ICE under the hood.
The R1T is cool. It’s a single person camping truck all the way. A little smaller, more capable of getting in and out of tight places that are predominately Jeep accessible. But the center rear seat is very uncomfortable, the payload capacity is lower both size and weight wise, and for me being forced in to one pedal driving was not ideal.
The lightning is wider, and heavier. But also more comfortable for everyone inside, can tow better, and I have loved having the power options, no need for a generator.
The audiences are similar but a bit different. I do think that Ford is nuts for saying there’s no demand. Make the ER pro for 50k and you could sell them all day. But you can’t even order that option, much less get it for that price. Maybe it costs more than to produce, but I’m willing to bet not. They would just need to be able to sell them direct to public to make it worth it and most states don’t allow for it.
and for me being forced in to one pedal driving was not ideal.
I don’t know anyone with an EV who hasn’t eventually moved to one pedal driving. It’s one of those things that you think feels weird at first but once you try it for a few days you never want to go back.
Make the ER pro for 50k and you could sell them all day. But you can’t even order that option, much less get it for that price.
This is the obvious issue. They marked the base model up by $12k before it ever came out and then didn’t make any. I would have one right now if I could get one for $40k like they said originally and I don’t even like trucks!
There’s a brake pedal, but it’s almost never needed (and if it is, it’s always been because of me being stupid). Releasing the accelerator engages the regenerative breaking, up to and including coming to a stop. I love it and don’t ever want to go back.
Having said that, I have had zero problem adapting back to normal breaking in my wife’s car (ICE) when I need to drive it for some reason.
I really don’t understand people that complain about the 1-pedal driving.
Sure, for internal combustion trucks, but we’re talking about their F150 EV.
Ford sold around 21,000 F-150 Lightnings in 2023. Rivian sold around 19,000 R1T pickups and 23,000 R1S SUVs on that pickup platform. And there is still a wait time to get Rivians. They’re not manufacturing fast enough to meet demand, while Ford is winding down.
I think Ford’s bigger problem is that the R1T is a cooler truck that costs about the same.
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I hate it because you can’t see 20 feet in front of you. My friends got an R1 and like it, but admit that the hood is so high and flat that they can’t see if their own kids are in front of them.
I hate thar trend in newer cars for the hoods to keep getting higher and boxier. It sucks for driver visibility and is even worse for pedestrian safety.
Couldn’t they fix that by getting rid of the frunk?
Probably, but the boxy hood/grille are 100% an aesthetic choice and wouldn’t be required regardless of whether it had a frunk or had an ICE under the hood.
The headlights.
It looks like an enemy in a mario game.
After driving both I went with the lightning.
The R1T is cool. It’s a single person camping truck all the way. A little smaller, more capable of getting in and out of tight places that are predominately Jeep accessible. But the center rear seat is very uncomfortable, the payload capacity is lower both size and weight wise, and for me being forced in to one pedal driving was not ideal.
The lightning is wider, and heavier. But also more comfortable for everyone inside, can tow better, and I have loved having the power options, no need for a generator.
The audiences are similar but a bit different. I do think that Ford is nuts for saying there’s no demand. Make the ER pro for 50k and you could sell them all day. But you can’t even order that option, much less get it for that price. Maybe it costs more than to produce, but I’m willing to bet not. They would just need to be able to sell them direct to public to make it worth it and most states don’t allow for it.
I don’t know anyone with an EV who hasn’t eventually moved to one pedal driving. It’s one of those things that you think feels weird at first but once you try it for a few days you never want to go back.
This is the obvious issue. They marked the base model up by $12k before it ever came out and then didn’t make any. I would have one right now if I could get one for $40k like they said originally and I don’t even like trucks!
Wait you mean no brake pedal? Does letting off the gas effectively brake?
I know they have regen braking but so does my hybrid and it behaves nothing like that.
There’s a brake pedal, but it’s almost never needed (and if it is, it’s always been because of me being stupid). Releasing the accelerator engages the regenerative breaking, up to and including coming to a stop. I love it and don’t ever want to go back.
Having said that, I have had zero problem adapting back to normal breaking in my wife’s car (ICE) when I need to drive it for some reason.
I really don’t understand people that complain about the 1-pedal driving.
The F150 is the best-selling vehicle in the US, several years running. Rivian is a fucking blip on the radar comparatively.
The Ford F-150 is the #1 Leased company truck, most civilians go with RAM when buying a personal truck, anything but Ford really.
Sure, for internal combustion trucks, but we’re talking about their F150 EV.
Ford sold around 21,000 F-150 Lightnings in 2023. Rivian sold around 19,000 R1T pickups and 23,000 R1S SUVs on that pickup platform. And there is still a wait time to get Rivians. They’re not manufacturing fast enough to meet demand, while Ford is winding down.
Strange how dealers able to charge obscene markups for them and yet Ford cites “waning demand”?
It’s typical bullshit.