The Absurdity of the Return-to-Office Movement::The return-to-office demands make little sense from an overall economic perspective, while working parents, in particular, benefit from not having to waste time commuting to an office, writes Peter Bergen.

  • @[email protected]
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    -2011 months ago

    Who wants to live in a city centre though?

    The only appeal is that it’s close to work, and we no longer need to go to that.

    • @matjoeman
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      2811 months ago

      Because all the shops, museums, restaurants, music venues, and public transit hubs are there?

      • @[email protected]
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        -1511 months ago

        Museums and music venues, sure.

        But the other things exist in small towns too. And if I do want to go to a concert, or the football or a museum, I can just go. It’s not like you go to these places every day.

        • @orosus
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          1611 months ago

          I work from home and still prefer living in the city center, despite being more expensive. Not due to the museums but due to the closeness to restaurants, pubs and clubs. How am I supposed to go back home if I am drunk and I cannot drive. The city center is for the people not for office buildings.

          • @stoly
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            511 months ago

            This is me. I can just go outside and do the things, then I’m back in time for my next meeting.

        • @[email protected]
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          311 months ago

          Do they? I just moved back to the rural area I grew up in after spending ten years in Cleveland.

          Cleveland’s not the greatest, but there’s dick around here outside of Walmart. I can drive 30 minutes into the nearest small city if I need a Home Depot or something, but Cleveland had tons of choices by comparison. Not a ton of restaurants, most are same ish or eaten up by Applebee’s. Fast food is even pretty limited.

          Back in the day we had small shops, but most are dead now…

    • @Maggoty
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      2711 months ago

      It’s also close to groceries, bars, theaters, museums, social services, and jobs that need you to be there in person, like working at any of the above.

      We had cities before we had cars for a reason. Let’s make them somewhere we want to live.

    • @stoly
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      11 months ago

      It’s so nice to have everything within a 5 block radius. Everything I need is there. No cars, no traffic, just lots of constant exercise and fresh air. When I want to go to a museum, I go to a museum–no gas, driving, parking. When I want to go to a concert, I jump on the subway and go to a concert. But go on, tell us how living in suburbs and breathing the fumes from the car in front of you is better.

      • @SquirtleHermit
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        11 months ago

        Nobody drives in the city, there’s too much traffic.

      • @Haha
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        111 months ago

        The one thing i disagree about is the fresh air

        • @stoly
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          011 months ago

          This isn’t 1980. Cities are really not polluted. Those who live in the suburbs tend to be less healthy due to lack of activity and increased exposure to the pollution emitted from cars.

          • @Haha
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            111 months ago

            If you are in the US or EU, maybe? Look at the third words though. This fresh air claim does not apply to everywhere in the world: especially when talking about downtown.

            • @stoly
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              -111 months ago

              We’re going to take the exception and apply it to the whole, gotcha.

              • @Haha
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                111 months ago

                Looks like you love opening your mouth without thinking much so here are a few Actual stats before i block your ass.

                I was not even disagreeing with you as a whole but apparently even arguing one point with you makes you entitled to a point you become defensive stale and resort to indulge in the mindset a 5 year old would be ashamed of.

                https://www.unep.org/interactives/air-pollution-note/?gad_source=1

                https://earth.org/data_visualization/pollution/

                Now tell people again exactly how the air is actually fresh in cities, downtown, nonetheless where traffic is peaking. Adios.

    • @[email protected]
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      311 months ago

      Downtowns can become very nice neighborhoods once all those offices and car space are transformed in housing, parks and walkable spaces.