• @Linkerbaan
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    May 12, 1997 - The African National Congress formally apologized Monday for the killing of civilians by its guerrilla forces during the ANC’s three-decade struggle against apartheid.

    “We regret the deaths and injuries to civilians arising from armed actions. We apologize to the next-of-kin for the suffering and hurt,” said a statement from the ANC to South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission, set up to investigate apartheid-era abuses and promote reconciliation among South Africans of all races.

    The ANC repeated its position that the armed struggle against the country’s white-ruled government, which began in 1960, was a just war and that civilians had not been deliberately targeted.

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      The ANC repeated its position that the armed struggle against the country’s white-ruled government, which began in 1960, was a just war and that civilians had not been deliberately targeted.

      Which makes a stark difference between the ANC (or rather, the ANC’s policies) and Hamas.

      • @Linkerbaan
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        -810 months ago

        Exactly the same thing you mean.

        • PugJesusOP
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          If I cite any of the many, many times in which Hamas has unambiguously and deliberately targeted civilians with planned attacks, will you concede, or will you just make excuses for the slaughter of civilians?

          • @Linkerbaan
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            The ANC had a FAR worse civilian casualty rate than Hamas. The Hamas civilian casualty rate is 66% even including IDF friendly fire on civilians.

            If you find a planned attack on civilians from October 7 do link it. I’m curious to see it and will watch it.

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              If you find a planned attack on civilians from October 7 do link it. I’m curious to see it and will watch it.

              I was actually intending on doing any of the many, many pre-October 7th attacks because I’ve seen people deny proof of intentional targeting of civilians as “Israeli propaganda”.

              • @Linkerbaan
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                If you read a little further in the ANC letter:

                ANC says some guerrillas insufficiently trained

                The ANC repeated its position that the armed struggle against the country’s white-ruled government, which began in 1960, was a just war and that civilians had not been deliberately targeted.

                But the ANC statement said some of its guerrillas weren’t sufficiently trained and “were never thoroughly under the discipline of the ANC.”

                I already know some Hamas members went rogue. When you work with people who’s entire families have been bombed by israel some tend to get trigger happy.

                The question is whether these were planned orders from the top down or soldiers going rogue.

                • PugJesusOP
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                  The question is whether these were planned orders from the top down or soldiers going rogue.

                  Okay, so, again, if I provide you with evidence that Hamas has committed attacks which were deliberately planned, from the top-down, to target civilians, you’ll concede the point?

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                    Nah, he will just call it propaganda and accuse you of wanting all Palestinian children dead. That’s all he does.