• Flying SquidM
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    910 months ago

    And then there’s “the Federation would never use the cloaking technology that our two main enemies use because that wouldn’t be fair” plot device.

      • @ummthatguy
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        810 months ago

        Wasn’t that a negotiated exception for the sake of the war with the Dominion?

        • NegativeNullM
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          810 months ago

          Yes, that’s true. They had a Romulan on board to control it for them.

          • Flying SquidM
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            710 months ago

            Who they forgot about after 3 or 4 episodes.

          • teft
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            110 months ago

            That was Seska pretending to be a Romulan.

    • @[email protected]
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      610 months ago

      Isn’t it because of the treaty of Algeron. Which ended up being broken by the captain of the Pegasus and Starfleet intelligence which was then publicly denounced by Starfleet command to avoid retaliation by the romulans.

      • Flying SquidM
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        110 months ago

        It’s a stupid treaty provision. “We won’t develop technology you and the Klingons already have and use against us all the time” would be one thing if the treaty was a surrender, but it wasn’t, it was a brokered treaty to prevent a war after an incident that went undescribed but was responsible for significant, but not on the scale of Wolf 359 significant life loss. It’s a hell of a thing for the Federation to give up and the actual reason why is never stated.

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          It also resulted in romulans falling back to their own territory and allowing for federation control of planets like Kotaari which is a huge boon for its dilithium reserves alone. The romulans also thought the federation was developing WMDs after the Tomed incident essentially turned an entire sector of space into an inhospitable wasteland. They probably also didn’t want to start another war on the scale of the first romulan war, especially with the romulans having no hesitation when it comes to war crimes.

    • IninewCrow
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      410 months ago

      So the real question to the Daystrom Institute is “What can the federation do against ‘Plot Devices’”

      I’ve heard of these ‘plot devices’ before and they seem to have a major affect on many different universes.

    • @[email protected]
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      310 months ago

      Except we know that somehow they get over that in the future. What if the Federation had greatly improved upon clocking technology the whole time and then the moment those protections expired could basically move around the galaxy freely at will? :-P (yet probably still choose not to, for that reason;-)

      Like, I don’t recall ever so much as seeing or even hearing of a Klingon scientist, ever:-P.

      • @[email protected]
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        510 months ago

        There are many Klingon scientists, they just end up being part of a different caste than the warriors who are mostly seen on ships. Kurak was a warp field specialist, Korath was a scientist who invented the chronodeflector used in Voyager’s finale, J’Dan (while also a spy) was an exobiologist, Antaak was a physician and researcher of metagenics. To say the Klingons had no scientists is just incorrect.

        • Flying SquidM
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          510 months ago

          Typical anti-Klingon racism of humans. Remember how Riker had to meet Klingons to find out they were capable of laughter when Klingons laugh all the time?

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          I didn’t say that they did not exist, just that I did not recall them - apparently I have a very poor memory;-)…uh…what was I saying again? ;-P

          Anyway, thank you for the nice list of them, it does help.

          • @[email protected]
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            210 months ago

            Haha yeah that’s fine, they really don’t show up that often so it’s not that surprising you forgot them.

            • @[email protected]
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              310 months ago

              You would think that they would get at least some credit - like the person who invented cloaking technology gets 1/1000th of every kill that is made that is directly attributable to the use of the technology.

              Except that makes way too much sense for Klingons to do it - they are the bad guys hence they are anti-science, unlike us now… oh no we are so in trouble.

              • @[email protected]
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                210 months ago

                Yeah I can’t remember if that ever directly came up but there’s definitely mentions of how non-warrior-caste Klingons are basically second class citizens

                • @[email protected]
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                  210 months ago

                  At some point Picard visited Qo’noS, the homeworld (“Sins of the Father”), but I seem to recall it giving surprisingly little information about it, except seeing like an old woman in a cloak so a non-warrior peasant.

                  Even here on earth there are similar effects - e.g. most Indians I have ever met speak somewhat more propa bri’ish English than I do here (am American), but this is like the 1% top elite that travel here, whereas if I were to travel there, the number of people who speak English passably may drop dramatically.

                  Similarly, most of what we know of Klingon society, directly from the shows anyway, is heavily biased towards the nobility - e.g. “House of”.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    210 months ago

                    I really want a show about the lives of normal people on all the different planets in the trekverse now. Like a lower decks but for more than just Starfleet.