It’s a bad situation for him, would he rather lose the support of American Arabs or American Jews? Throwing Israel under the bus would send a message to all of our allies that America will abandon them when it is politically expedient.
But supporters of Israel need Biden to support a genocide or he’ll lose their vote?
Most supporters of Israel and Jews certainly don’t see it that way. If Israel chooses legal military targets and the civilian deaths are collateral damage it’s not a genocide, but I don’t feel like debating this for the 1000th time. (Repeating the claim like a mantra doesn’t make it so.)
Ever notice how it always works like that where neoliberal politicians are “forced” to move to the right but progressives get nothing?
You’re already denying a genocide, that kind and of trumps every other wrong thing you’re saying right now. Me ignoring your other claims doesn’t mean I’m accepting them either.
Like if a nazi ran up and said LGBT people needed to die and pineapples shouldn’t be on pizza, my priority isn’t gonna be defending pineapples.
Acknowledging a genocide is “spreading anti-Israel propaganda”?
Spoken as though there is consensus that it is a genocide, or that Israel’s actions have been legally found to be a genocide, neither is true. More info can be found here about the basis of such accusations.
Good day, I hope Hamas gives you a gold star for your efforts.
Can you agree that, even if it’s not a genocide, that the deaths of so many civilians and the utter destruction of the infrastructure of Gaza is not just unwarranted, but immoral and unethical? That the actions of Israel are not in any way defensible?
“At least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the (Genocide) Convention,” the judges said.
The ruling required Israel to prevent and punish any public incitements to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza and to preserve evidence related to any allegations of genocide there.
Israel must also take measures to improve the humanitarian situation for Palestinian civilians in the enclave, it said.
“The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. Crucially, the Court also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the Court, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.”
“Amid its military offensive on Gaza City and the northern Gaza Strip, the Israeli military has repeatedly dropped leaflets and sent messages telling residents they must leave their homes and “evacuate” to areas it claims are safer, which are south of the Wadi Gaza wetlands.”
“Israeli bombardment has killed thousands of civilians in the areas of the Gaza Strip that Israel has ordered them to move to, Gaza health ministry death tolls show. Witnesses’ accounts, satellite data and expert assessment gathered by NPR show that Israeli airstrikes and artillery fire occur daily in the areas Israel has said are “safer” for civilians, and have hit schools, residential towers and overcrowded United Nations refugee shelters.”
I made it super easy for you… it’s the same link. ;)
Does it matter? I’m totally fine with a politician listening to people and adjusting their views accordingly. Actually, I’d be happier with Biden if that was the case.
Political expediency? Israel are the ones throwing Americans under the bus and not the other way around. It would be a golden beacon to the world that America still cares about human rights to defund Israel.
Plenty of American Jews have stated they support Palestine. Didn’t one of the founding members of AIPAC even state that what Isreal was doing kind of sketch?
Seems less American Jews and more Israeli lobbying.
It’s a bad situation for him, would he rather lose the support of American Arabs or American Jews? Throwing Israel under the bus would send a message to all of our allies that America will abandon them when it is politically expedient.
So supporters of Palestine have to vote Biden anyways because trump is worse.
But supporters of Israel need Biden to support a genocide or he’ll lose their vote?
Ever notice how it always works like that where neoliberal politicians are “forced” to move to the right but progressives get nothing?
That shits tired. No one believes it anymore.
Politicians like Biden want to move to the right. And take any opportunity to do so.
That’s not even getting I to how Jewish Americans do t always support Israels immoral acts just because they’re Jewish
Most supporters of Israel and Jews certainly don’t see it that way. If Israel chooses legal military targets and the civilian deaths are collateral damage it’s not a genocide, but I don’t feel like debating this for the 1000th time. (Repeating the claim like a mantra doesn’t make it so.)
Neoliberal politicians are usually already on the right, Biden is not a neoliberal.
Biden is moving the Overton window left and has been supporting labor more than any president in my lifetime. The resurgence of union power is directly due to his appointments at the NLRB.
And if I had a billion dollars, I’d be a billionaire.
But I don’t, so I’m not.
Why are we talking about hypotheticals instead of reality?
And can you stick to only one false claim a comment? I’m not going to take the time to disprove every wrong tangent you go off on
When people do that intentionally, it’s known as a “gish gallop” which is an old Russian propaganda strategy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
You’re already denying a genocide, that kind and of trumps every other wrong thing you’re saying right now. Me ignoring your other claims doesn’t mean I’m accepting them either.
Like if a nazi ran up and said LGBT people needed to die and pineapples shouldn’t be on pizza, my priority isn’t gonna be defending pineapples.
So you are the arbiter of truth regarding Israel, anonymous stranger? Wow, who appointed you to that position?
The Fish Gallop! LOL! XD
Yeah sorry not going to debate this with you, have a nice day spreading anti-Israel propaganda.
Acknowledging a genocide is “spreading anti-Israel propaganda”?
That’s almost as ridiculous as being surprised at a typo mate…
Spoken as though there is consensus that it is a genocide, or that Israel’s actions have been legally found to be a genocide, neither is true. More info can be found here about the basis of such accusations.
Good day, I hope Hamas gives you a gold star for your efforts.
Can you agree that, even if it’s not a genocide, that the deaths of so many civilians and the utter destruction of the infrastructure of Gaza is not just unwarranted, but immoral and unethical? That the actions of Israel are not in any way defensible?
Or is that just “hamas propaganda”?
Why use a publicly editable wiki page?
Why not an article about the ICJ ruling?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-world-court-decision-israei-genocide-case-2024-01-26/
Shhh! That doesn’t support their position.
It doesn’t need to be a consensus, we have the ruling from the International Court:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/01/israel-must-comply-with-key-icj-ruling-ordering-it-do-all-in-its-power-to-prevent-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
“The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. Crucially, the Court also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the Court, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.”
“If Israel chooses legal military targets and the civilian deaths are collateral damage…”
We already know Israel is not choosing legitimate military targets and the civilian deaths are NOT collateral damage.
Follow the evidence trail:
Start here:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213579692/israel-gaza-evacuation-south-attacks
“Amid its military offensive on Gaza City and the northern Gaza Strip, the Israeli military has repeatedly dropped leaflets and sent messages telling residents they must leave their homes and “evacuate” to areas it claims are safer, which are south of the Wadi Gaza wetlands.”
Then go here:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213579692/israel-gaza-evacuation-south-attacks
“Israeli bombardment has killed thousands of civilians in the areas of the Gaza Strip that Israel has ordered them to move to, Gaza health ministry death tolls show. Witnesses’ accounts, satellite data and expert assessment gathered by NPR show that Israeli airstrikes and artillery fire occur daily in the areas Israel has said are “safer” for civilians, and have hit schools, residential towers and overcrowded United Nations refugee shelters.”
I made it super easy for you… it’s the same link. ;)
Is he moving it, or are the American people doing it and he’s just following a trend?
Does it matter? I’m totally fine with a politician listening to people and adjusting their views accordingly. Actually, I’d be happier with Biden if that was the case.
Yes? If we attribute to Biden what is not a matter of Biden’s actions, we ignore the true source.
Personally I prefer to know how things work and not just trust in higher authorities to just instinctively do what’s best for me.
Political expediency? Israel are the ones throwing Americans under the bus and not the other way around. It would be a golden beacon to the world that America still cares about human rights to defund Israel.
Plenty of American Jews have stated they support Palestine. Didn’t one of the founding members of AIPAC even state that what Isreal was doing kind of sketch?
Seems less American Jews and more Israeli lobbying.