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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/9618293
Archived version: https://archive.ph/qbB52
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240208021134/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/08/japan-transgender-man-status-change-ruling-court-sterilisation
I can’t be the only person who read this and went “Jesus fucking Christ, they were doing what?”
It’s tragically very common. Many US states won’t update documents without bottom surgery as do many European countries. Far be for a trans person to exist with thr ability to give birth. What if their child… catches it?!?!
It’s sort of disgusting what passes as progress for us. Mandatory sterilization says a lot about how the world views trans folk. Hopefully this turns into a Denmark situation where these requirements are apologized for, not like $5k really makes up for losing the ability to start a family.
I am a proud member of Team Rainbow and have been actively engaged since ACT UP, and I am ashamed to say I did not know this.
I donate to Trevor and HRC and the Matthew Shepard Foundation, so if I didn’t know about this, I can’t even imagine how ignorant others must be. There’s so much going on right now that it just gets overwhelming.
Thank you so much for those links. You’ve really opened my eyes.
Finland was the same until about a year ago. Changing your legal gender used to require “inability to procreate”, which effectively meant sterilisation.
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I can’t tell if your question is intended to be sarcastic or not, but just in case the majority of trans persons, including a large majority of trans women, never get surgery. A larger portion of trans men get surgery (mastectomies) because it’s a lot harder to pass if you have prominent breasts. Trans men with smaller breasts, including younger people, will often use a binder, which compresses the breasts so that they’re much less noticeable.
There are a number of reasons trans persons don’t get surgery. Some simply do not want it, and that’s okay. We don’t get to be gatekeepers on this issue. Being trans can be entirely about presentation. Some would ideally have it, but they’ve set up a lot of hoops for people to jump through. There can be a long series of consultations and exams that are required to determine if a person is going to be considered a candidate for surgery. It can be expensive, and isn’t always covered by insurance. As with all surgeries, there’s always a risk of complications and variability in outcomes.
Again, I hope you were being sarcastic, but if not (or for others), I hope that answers some questions.
And anyone with any major surgeries will tell you – it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. I’m not trans, but I have plenty of surgical areas that are still lacking sensitivity, didn’t heal right, etc. Now take and apply that to something is supposed to be a sensitive zone, etc. Sometimes it’s just best to leave the body alone physically.
This is extremely outdated thinking and something many people actively take offense over. Genitals mean nothing when it comes to identity.Consider your life and your day to day interactions, how much does your genitals factor in to things? In your job or with your friends? Presumably not much aside from sex, in which case it’s no one’s business but you and whoever else is involved with that. Genitals are not gender.
To speak nothing of the finical or legal hurdles one has to go through, but bottom surgery is not something every trans person does. No trans person is “more serious about it” or any more/less valid than any other person, regardless of their medical history.
Well, trans individuals did loop themselves in with the LGBT movement, which is a movement about…drumroll please… sexuality!
So I’m not entirely sure genitals have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a clean way to untangle the mess that this has all become in a way that everyone stays happy. Sexual identities are messy. Gender identities are messy.
LGB are about sexuality, T is about identity. It’s not “looping themselves in”, it’s Intersectionality among people who suffer from simmiliar types of discrimination. We have always existed and were present at stonewall just like lesbian, gay and bi folk.
The average person has no idea what transition is actually like, which is partly from us having to hide for so long and because of media repsentation showing wildly skewed pictures. It’s common to think that transition starts with “the operation” but that’s the farthest thing from reality, especially since that isn’t even a option until a year plus on HRT, several letters from psychologist and a multi year waiting list. SRS, sex reassignment surgery, if anything would be the last step in transition.
Literally nothing. I can be sympayhic if you haven’t heard this infromation before and are unsure about it, nothing wrong with being ignorant if you are willing to learn. Just please understand this is a very foundational truth and not something up for debate. I don’t know if your intent is to be transphobic but what you are saying deeply is.
Consider the terms gender and sex, often used synonymously but they do indeed mean different things. Sex being your physical characteristics and gender being how you interact with society and other humans. Which is why people born with both characteristics are interSEX, not interGENDER. Genitals have absolutely nothing to do with who you are as a person and how it is comfortable to move around the world. Many people have their sex match their gender, but many do not. Which is why trans people exist!
A trans woman who lives in Saudi Arabia is no less a woman that one who lives elsewhere and can do the process of transition,the first literally runs the risk of death. Just like a gay man is no less gay in the same culture. Nothing, absolutely nothing is gained from gatekeeping surgeries as a requirement of a valid identity.
To say genitals matter to gender is to invalidate the vast majority of trans folk behind an expensive and invasive procedure that not everyone can safely undertake. Please rethink what you are saying.
Contra has an excellent video on this “Are traps gay?”