It always amuses me just how much of a hate boner America has for China. The absolute fury and indignation that those guys on the other side of the pond are catching up to them is funny to me.
My big question is: if they’ve got this much of a hate boner, why not just build the chips in Taiwan? I hear they’re even better than China at this shit. Or is this one of those “we’re pretending there’s only one China for the overlords” articles?
From a planning perspective, the West must assume Taiwan is already “lost” and merged into China. Therefore the rational action to take is to begin spinning up as much chip production as possible in the interim, while continuing to rely on Taiwan’s manufacturing.
Fun fact, the guy who founded TSMC was an immigrant working in tech firms in the mid-late 1900s but was unable to get promotions due to American racism against asians. So he said, “Aight guess I’ll go back and make my own company.”
The US had the TSMC founder and drove him away with hate.
Please do yourself a favor and check out podcasts covering this topic, there are some good ones.
European Technology firms also fucked this up really hard. Philipps created ASML, NXP and had a founding 25% share in TSMC, but managed to win nothing from it. Due to Philipps short-sighted management none of these great wins in the semiconductor industry benefited the company at all and all three firms are now completly spum out and worth way more than Philipps. The TSMC share alone is now worth much more than Philipps Market Cap.
Stealing. The word is stealing not catching up. It really doesn’t matter matter because China lacks the creativity and forethought to make the tech work. That’s a cultural problem.
Stealing is how you catch up. Imaginary property laws were also lax in the US as it was growing. By the way, the “they just steal, they have no creativity” line was the same old bullshit trotted out against Japan while Japan was outcompeting us. Unfortunately for Japan, they’re a US ally and were bullied into adopting a financially-engineered ticking time bomb that exploded and left them with multiple lost decades.
Japan literally took American ideas and make them work. Japan brought over American innovators who were stifled at GM and Ford. They put in the production that killed Detroit.
Absolute garbage comment. Our entire LIVES and upbringing is assimilation of thoughts and ideas. We literally have sayings like “imitation is the most sincere form of flattery”.
Capitalism comes in and decides that ideas, in and of themselves, need to be monetized and commodified. We create parents and trademarks and copyrights, all flying in the face of millennia of human cultural evolution. Using this, we decide that copying is stealing. Absolute insanity. Stealing is wrong because it DEPRIVES someone of the use of their property. Copying doesn’t deprive anyone from shit!
We have a system where if someone finds a good way of doing something, but doesn’t play nice with others, we DEMAND other people to use INFERIOR ways of doing that thing so we don’t make the original inventor mad. This might, maybe, make sense with people, but corporations own just about every useful patent we’ve ever made, corporations aren’t people, we don’t owe them shit. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! IDEAS ARE NOT PROPERTY! IMITATION ISN’T STEALING! How did we even get here?
The problem is these new ideas cost time, money, manpower to create. Why would any person spend the time and energy to make something new only for someone to take your work?
Have you seen the last couple of years who your most brilliant minds are? Hint most of them are either Asians or descendants of Asian parents.
Like it or not, but there are a lot of really smart people in maths, science and IT people in China and Asia who are much smarter than Europeans and/or white Americans.
It always amuses me just how much of a hate boner America has for China. The absolute fury and indignation that those guys on the other side of the pond are catching up to them is funny to me.
The US has had so much soft and hard power the idea of a new hyper power is baffling to those with authority
My big question is: if they’ve got this much of a hate boner, why not just build the chips in Taiwan? I hear they’re even better than China at this shit. Or is this one of those “we’re pretending there’s only one China for the overlords” articles?
From a planning perspective, the West must assume Taiwan is already “lost” and merged into China. Therefore the rational action to take is to begin spinning up as much chip production as possible in the interim, while continuing to rely on Taiwan’s manufacturing.
Fun fact, the guy who founded TSMC was an immigrant working in tech firms in the mid-late 1900s but was unable to get promotions due to American racism against asians. So he said, “Aight guess I’ll go back and make my own company.”
The US had the TSMC founder and drove him away with hate.
Please do yourself a favor and check out podcasts covering this topic, there are some good ones.
European Technology firms also fucked this up really hard. Philipps created ASML, NXP and had a founding 25% share in TSMC, but managed to win nothing from it. Due to Philipps short-sighted management none of these great wins in the semiconductor industry benefited the company at all and all three firms are now completly spum out and worth way more than Philipps. The TSMC share alone is now worth much more than Philipps Market Cap.
Got to have our
32 minutes of hate and someone to direct it at!Edit: I somehow extended the hatefest 50%. Corrected.
Stealing. The word is stealing not catching up. It really doesn’t matter matter because China lacks the creativity and forethought to make the tech work. That’s a cultural problem.
Stealing is how you catch up. Imaginary property laws were also lax in the US as it was growing. By the way, the “they just steal, they have no creativity” line was the same old bullshit trotted out against Japan while Japan was outcompeting us. Unfortunately for Japan, they’re a US ally and were bullied into adopting a financially-engineered ticking time bomb that exploded and left them with multiple lost decades.
Sorry but the patent system you have in the US is absolute bullshit that benefits very little and is prone to abuse by patent trolls.
Japan literally took American ideas and make them work. Japan brought over American innovators who were stifled at GM and Ford. They put in the production that killed Detroit.
Absolute garbage comment. Our entire LIVES and upbringing is assimilation of thoughts and ideas. We literally have sayings like “imitation is the most sincere form of flattery”.
Capitalism comes in and decides that ideas, in and of themselves, need to be monetized and commodified. We create parents and trademarks and copyrights, all flying in the face of millennia of human cultural evolution. Using this, we decide that copying is stealing. Absolute insanity. Stealing is wrong because it DEPRIVES someone of the use of their property. Copying doesn’t deprive anyone from shit!
We have a system where if someone finds a good way of doing something, but doesn’t play nice with others, we DEMAND other people to use INFERIOR ways of doing that thing so we don’t make the original inventor mad. This might, maybe, make sense with people, but corporations own just about every useful patent we’ve ever made, corporations aren’t people, we don’t owe them shit. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! IDEAS ARE NOT PROPERTY! IMITATION ISN’T STEALING! How did we even get here?
The problem is these new ideas cost time, money, manpower to create. Why would any person spend the time and energy to make something new only for someone to take your work?
Because maybe it might be nice to contribute to the betterment of humanity as a whole?
You sound like if you invented a cure for cancer, you’d jack up the price immediately.
Oh yeah the famously uncreative and uninventive chinese culture. They’ve never done anything, I’m sure.
Have you seen the last couple of years who your most brilliant minds are? Hint most of them are either Asians or descendants of Asian parents.
Like it or not, but there are a lot of really smart people in maths, science and IT people in China and Asia who are much smarter than Europeans and/or white Americans.
Coming from a European.