• mozz
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    210 months ago

    Perfectly fair. I’m just coming it at from the perspective of someone who already knows where Trump gets his ideas and priorities (which is only like 2 or 3 places, and as concerns geopolitics, exactly 1 place.)

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      110 months ago

      One of Trump’s big appeals, I think, is that he presents simple solutions to complex problems.

      It persuades many to say “Yeah, its common sense. I stop paying my car payment, and I get my car repo’d and I can’t drive anymore. A country that doesn’t pay for NATO bill, should get its NATO coverage dropped. Common sense! Why is Trump the first one to ‘get it’. If [I think] this is a simple solution, then the other simple solutions must also be right. Illegal crossing? Build a wall! No more crossings right? Simple fix! We need these common sense fixes that Washington doesn’t want to do because they just want to keep their jobs by not fixing anything. Trump is the man!”

      This is what I think is happening and why those that support Trump believe. If there is a Trump supporter reading this, I’m interested in your response, and I would ask others not to downvote it because I’m specifically asking for it, even if I disagree with it.

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        10 months ago

        I’ve talked at quite a bit of length with Trump supporters in person. I think the thing that people often miss, is that they have no idea what’s going on. A lot of them think Trump is a genius. They think it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump won the election and Biden stole it. They think the cities are unlivable because of gang violence, like on the level of Somalia. The migrant invasion over the border, what’s really going on with Covid… the sources of news they consume are specifically designed to produce confusion and incapability to understand the world, except for certain very simple easy (and grossly untrue) messages which are sort of programmed into them. And, they accomplish that task really, really well. It’s honestly really difficult to even get a foothold talking to them, because they’re (a) totally wrong about basic facts of what’s going on and (b) incapable of critical reasoning to get themselves out of that.

        Something basic like “if a source says one thing and then clearly contradicts itself later, stop listening to that source,” is alien to them. It all just gets really big and confusing and they can’t process it and they get uncomfortable. It’s a hell of a problem, and I don’t really know what the solution is, other than to make it illegal to construct deliberate propaganda and then pump it into everyone’s brains, which, trying to regulate that brings its own host of issues…

        • partial_accumen
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          110 months ago

          This matches some of what I’ve seen of them too. The biggest indicator of a Trump supporter is the lack of travel. So many never leave their locality, much less their state. Its almost rare that they’ve ever been out of the country. It almost makes sense that their view of the world is the way it is because they’ve never seen it for themselves and just take other people’s word for it.

          I’ll be the first to say getting a passport isn’t cheap (when you don’t have extra money) and it is a moderately complicated process the first time through finding and filling the forms properly, getting a photograph taken that matches the requirements, two payments, etc. However, once you have it, renewals only occur every 10 years and are much much easier than that first time through. The first step of getting a passport, however, appears to be the largest barrier.