Apple fans are starting to return their Vision Pros::The return window for the very first Apple Vision Pro buyers is fast approaching — and some have taken to social media to explain why they won’t be keeping their headsets.

  • @Matriks404
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    10 months ago

    I dislike Apple, but this is the way future will like. AR (and maybe VR, but who knows) will definitely be amazing in a decade or so. BUT I think some people will still stick to smartphones, especially ones who don’t want to spend their whole day with technology and social media.

    I am definitely buying an AR headset, as long as it’s affordable and can replace at least half of the tasks I do on my computer/phone. The AR device with Windows 11 and computing power of standard computer would be just fucking amazing, and I wouldn’t go back.

    • @[email protected]
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      2110 months ago

      Microsoft barely made a PC interface, they’re the last ones i would expect make a proper AR interface.

      • @OrderedChaos
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        310 months ago

        Aren’t they removing the AR they built into the OS? I swear I read recently that they gave up on their customers that bought their headset so people that have it are forced to stay on an old version of windows just to use them.

        • Vinny
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          Microsoft’s game plan seems to be:

          1. Sell a cool idea, halfheartedly.
          2. Abandon the idea.
          3. Wait until someone else done it right.
          4. Ripe them off / play catch up.

          It was exactly like that for Windows on ARM.

          In other words, regardless of whether you like/hate Apple, if the Vision Pro does not success, then there probably won’t be any further investment in the space from MS either.

          • @OrderedChaos
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            210 months ago

            I don’t mind any of the companies when they have tech that does a job really well. Sadly it seems that they all have this collective idea that anything they’ve done well is not worth maintaining at some point. I’m neither a Linux, windows, or Mac fan. And each have their strengths. You just pick the poison while it’s available to fill a need.

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        Not sure what do you mean by PC interface. Do you mean interface between user and computer? (which has nothing to do with software) Or like GUI in an operating system?

        If by “PC interface” you mean GUI, then I still don’t get you, because there’s real alternative to Windows UI in any desktop operating system last time I checked. Sure Apple has macOS with its simple UI, and may be good for users that need to do only basic tasks, but if you need to have powerful (and in some parts customizable, although Unix desktops like KDE or Xfce may be better suited for max customization) UI with great UX for power users and without need to get to command line often (like you do on Linux) nothing beats Windows.

        • @[email protected]
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          310 months ago

          I don’t know, when we start talking about power users my mind goes to developers and most seem to not like windows. At least that has been my experience. Most of us prefer unix based systems, primarily because we have to use it to interact with like almost every server anyway. And of course I’m not just talking about different Linux distos, Mac is essentially Unix based and is in heavy use in a lot of shops.

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            Yeah, as for development I’d say Linux (or any Unix-like) is more suited for that, especially when you have really great shell, development utilities and awesome package managers, and the overall system design is good for that. Also some stuff is just faster to do in command line, I could never see myself using git graphically for example, as doing so only gives me more headaches. But for most stuff I prefer GUI, because GUI’s tend to have common design choices, and you can generally figure it out in few minutes, while for CLI utilities anything goes, some have built-in interactive prompts, some incompatible syntax, there’s sometimes steep learning curve, and list goes on.

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          Microsoft puts ads in the start menu. I could go into a deeper critique, but ultimately that is the canary in the coal mine. Any company with a structure capable of shipping that feature is fucking busted in terms of user experience and ui design.

          • @Matriks404
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            110 months ago

            I don’t really use start menu, nor have ads in my OS (may be regional thing), but that’s a good point.

    • @chiliedogg
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      810 months ago

      Windows is actively removing AR support with an upcoming update.

      • @june
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        310 months ago

        I think they mean a full windows OS for AR, which doesn’t currently exist.

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          Hololens 2 still exists and runs a highly modified version of Windows, so it does sort of exist. But obviously there’s no chance of running desktop apps on a Hololens.

          • @chiliedogg
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            410 months ago

            Hololens is what they’re discontinuing support for and removing from future updates to the OS.

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        Well, that’s kinda stupid on their part, but I bet they will be rejoining AR race later though, probably too late while Apple and Google creates good AR platforms with massive support of 3rd parties. And I expect Google (or, ekhm, Alphabet?) to show something like that in next few years.

        Still, as for Windows AR devices, I expect to there being some 3rd party ones in ~10 years, that have computing power of desktop PC’s we had yesterday or we have today. And we can already see that even mid-budget mobile devices can run heavy desktop environments (like Windows or some Linux desktops (like GNOME and KDE)) with no issues whatsoever, this is just going to expand into AR devices.

    • @[email protected]
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      110 months ago

      Flying cars will be the future but I wouldn’t buy a flying car today.

      Brain-computer interfaces will be the future but I wouldn’t implant a chip in my brain today.

      Personal AI assistants will be the future but I wouldn’t pay $350 for ChatGPT today.

      Lot’s of things will be great in the future. Bringing it up in the context of existing, silly products is a bit pointless.