• @SkippingRelax
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    29 months ago

    Seems to me like this is happening in all 50 something states though, not just the ones with special laws, we sure that’s the problem?

    • Flying SquidM
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      29 months ago

      Of course it is. Why would you expect different states to have different tipping policies? How would people remember what or whether to tip in each state?

      Believe it or not, non-union restaurant businesses, being the vast majority in the U.S., have a lot more clout than unions.

      • Saik0
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        09 months ago

        How would people remember what or whether to tip in each state?

        The tip “laws” are indeed different per state… and the onus is put on the business owner as it should be.
        https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

        The people you’re interacting with on this forum are more than likely from more populous states definitionally. If you look up those states, they likely make way more than the 2.13$ that you fear they do.

        • Flying SquidM
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          19 months ago

          I don’t remember fearing they make $2.13 an hour.

          I fear they don’t make what minimum wage should be at the very least- $15 an hour.

          • Saik0
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            -19 months ago

            This country is wide and disparate. 15$ in NYC is not equivalent to 15$ in the middle of nowhere Utah.

            This is why states can choose to make minimum wage whatever they want. Simply blanket stating that 15$/hr for everyone is silly. But lets realize that many states DO require around 15$/hr (or close enough where a 1 dollar tip per table would net them 15 really easily)… and those states actually hold a significant portion of the population of the USA… meaning that most of the people you’re talking to here on Lemmy are LIKELY from those states. Does someone who lives in a house in the middle of nowhere Utah have the same requirements for income? You can look on zillow right now… There’s houses that appear fully functional for sale at $30,000 (357 results for less than 50k). Does that person need 15$/hr? Just because you’re used to prices where you live, and demand those wages at your location, doesn’t mean that those numbers make sense at other place in the USA.

            So the real question… Where you live… on the table… are they already close to 15$, or close enough that a 5-10% tip which is what used to be customary would still get them over your magical 15$/hr number?

            • Flying SquidM
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              29 months ago

              We have a federal minimum wage. Are you really not aware of that?

              And no, it is nowhere near $15 in Indiana.

              • Saik0
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                19 months ago

                We have a federal minimum wage. Are you really not aware of that?

                Yes, which is completely superseded by the states minimum wage. Which is what I said in my post if you bothered to read. What about my post makes it seem like I don’t know that a federal minimum wage exists?

                And no, it is nowhere near $15 in Indiana.

                So looking at Zillow, there’s 358 houses in Indiana that are less than 50k to purchase (over 1000, at less than 100k)… Why do you need 15$/hr? What makes 15/hr “livable” when a house that typically takes up 30-50% of a persons monthly expense cost only 50k?

                • Flying SquidM
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                  29 months ago

                  Yes, which is completely superseded by the states minimum wage.

                  Are you under the impression that state minimum wage can be lower than the federal minimum wage?

                  So looking at Zillow, there’s 358 houses in Indiana that are less than 50k to purchase (over 1000, at less than 100k)… Why do you need 15$/hr? What makes 15/hr “livable” when a house that typically takes up 30-50% of a persons monthly expense cost only 50k?

                  Got it, you’re one of those people who think the poor don’t deserve anything but the bare minimum society can possibly offer.

                  And, of course, those 358 houses are evenly distributed across Indiana so that the only 358 people in Indiana being paid minimum wage can afford them. That’s exactly how things work.

                  • Saik0
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                    09 months ago

                    With minimum wage in Indiana being $7.25,

                    https://www.zillow.com/mortgage-calculator/house-affordability/

                    You can afford a house up to $67,530.

                    Keep in mind that this is availability RIGHT NOW. Meaning that the market has availability on TOP of what’s already occupied… and doesn’t include rentals. The market is NOT saturated.

                    those 358 houses are evenly distributed across Indiana

                    Looks pretty centered around population centers to me.

                    who think the poor don’t deserve anything

                    Right… which is why I’m advocating here that they should be able to buy a house? That’s the bare minimum to you? Jesus dude… you’re really off the mark here.