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  • sloonark
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    9111 months ago

    So we have separate Android communities running on separate instances. I can’t see how this community splintering can be a good thing.

    • @[email protected]
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      8311 months ago
      1. As time goes one community will emerge as the main one while other would dry up and naturally become obsolete (until people get angry with the mods of main one and start looking for alternative community, similar to how there are r/truegaming, r/true(x) etc for popular subreddits.)

      2. There are many open PRs on lemmy github on how to aggregate similar communities. For example there is a suggestion of making an auto multireddit like thing, m/gaming for example, that would merge posts from every c/gaming community (not sure how this would work with defederation and stuff). With enough demand, something like that can be added to lemmy by an experienced dev.

        • lemmyvore
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          3711 months ago

          Things like defederation and having communities with the same topic on different instances are actually good things, they’re features of the Fediverse not problems.

          It takes a bit of adapting to the Fediverse mindset as opposed to the centralized platform mindset but there are solutions:

          • Having multiple communities like OP said is a good thing, let’s see which one rises to the top.
          • There are already Lemmy clients that can subscribe to accounts on multiple instances and merge everything seamlessly for you.
          • A multireddit-like feature will probably be implemented eventually, and I suspect it will also be a client feature not a server feature, because it makes much more sense on the client.
          • @tsz
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            911 months ago

            How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community to post to or watch for relevant information? I don’t agree that making meta-level knowledge of the site mandatory to successfully navigating it is healthy or smart for the long term success of lemmy.

            • Big Duck Energy
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              1111 months ago

              How did you pick between Coke and Pepsi? You picked the one you liked. Choice is a good thing, I think you’re making this harder than it needs to be.

              • @[email protected]
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                811 months ago

                A lot of these arguments are starting to sound like Reddit is astroturfing around here.

                • Big Duck Energy
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                  11 months ago

                  A lot of people are fresh off of Reddit and are looking for an exact clone of Reddit, which is fair enough. They don’t understand Federation and think Lemmy needs to stop doing it, lol. Like, Squables is that way - - - >

            • lemmyvore
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              811 months ago

              How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community

              The same way they have been doing it on reddit. You browse around, see a community that looks interesting and you subscribe. Notice that you have two related communities and you merge them in your client.

              I don’t agree that making meta-level knowledge of the site mandatory to successfully navigating it is healthy or smart for the long term success of lemmy.

              I mean, you need to know how a service works in order to use it effectively. Lemmy works a certain way and that’s that.

              Not sure which you’re arguing for – that Lemmy should be simpler (I think it’s fairly simple for what it is) or that clients should be simpler (which is happening as we speak) – but either way it’s going to work out. Hell, Twitter’s mechanics are a lot less intuitive and it still managed to make it big.

            • HobbitFoot
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              311 months ago

              How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community to post to or watch for relevant information? I

              Look at c/all and see which communities consistently are at the top. If you like one community over the other, upvote and comment on that community’s posts.

          • @IrBill
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            111 months ago

            Could you explain point two in more detail? I know you said account, but I’m hoping by community might be a feature, where I could subscribe to c/android and it’d maybe fetch all the c/android’s across all fediverse instances?

        • @[email protected]
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          611 months ago

          The beehaw and world defederation (which I assume you are referencing) is temporary because beehaw believes the increased traffic cannot be moderated without proper mod tools.

          And while you’re right about mainstream things like gaming or technology won’t have a single main community, I feel more niche communities will be able to setup their main communities. Obviouly that’s just my opinion, but there are some signs of that happening already. (c/piracy for example)

          • @dustojnikhummer
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            011 months ago

            Given instances can get defederated because of one sublemmy… pressing big X to doubt on that

              • @dustojnikhummer
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                111 months ago

                Okay, it is a stupid name, I admit. Better alternative?

                • Earl Turlet
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                  1111 months ago

                  Lemmy already calls it a community. It’s all over the UI, code, everything. Why call it something else?

            • HobbitFoot
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              511 months ago

              Instances will be judged on the subs they choose to host. Federating is a voluntary activity and defederating is the solution for other admins when one instance fails to keep their instance from turning into a Nazi bar.

    • fmstrat
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      5611 months ago

      Don’t like the direction of one? You get options. Like them both? Subscribe to both. It’s like getting Gamers Nexus and LTT, different perspective but overlapping community.

    • @[email protected]
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      4911 months ago

      It’s just like having different subreddits about the same topic. Just subscribe to both.

      • AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦
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        11 months ago

        I think what he meant is why launch a second exact same community, with merely 300 subscribers, when there’s already an established one like [email protected] which has now more than 15k subscribers? I noticed that behavior with the r/neovim mods too, they refused to join an existing community. My guess is simply that they want to be in a community where they are still in charge of everything, they’re too addicted to their mod “powers” to let go of them.

        Back to OP, I think the whole thread and the way r/Android mods just hoped to absorb users of this community is completely inappropriate and simply disrespectful.

        • @[email protected]
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          1011 months ago

          Same reason there’s been games, gaming, truegaming, patientgaming, etc. Overtime each community can come to develop their own style.

      • @yesterdayshero
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        1411 months ago

        But they’re the same topic, so there’s a good chance there’s gonna be repeated content across both. Particularly if not everyone is subscribed to all instances.

        I’m subscribing to both, but will be interesting to see how duplicate content across instances are federated in the future.

        • @AtheistAndroid
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          1511 months ago

          If two of the same topic is posted, the one in the instance with more people will be higher on the active list than the other, so if you’re subbed to both, you’ll see that one first and interact with it. I’ve seen duplicate topics across several of my subs on Reddit regularly.

          • @yesterdayshero
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            411 months ago

            Yeah but I’d see one, scroll a little further and see another. Then scroll a little further and see another. Sure you might see some repeated posts on Reddit, but the problem is exacerbated if there are multiple instances of the same topic.

            For example, if I saw the same post on /r/Google and /r/Android. The problem could be four times or more worse due to there being multiple instances of Google and Android federated.

            I’m enjoying Lemmy, but it’ll be interesting to see how this might be dealt with for those that want a single feed per topic.

          • @outbound5231
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            211 months ago

            Are there any Lemmy clients that support viewing multi-communities? For example, I’d prefer viewing all posts for all instances of Android over the combined subscribed list.

            • HobbitFoot
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              211 months ago

              I thought that was built in to all Lemmy clients. All non-home instances I’m subscribed to are presented as @instance because the instance location is just as important as the sub’s name.

              • @outbound5231
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                11 months ago

                Just to clarify, I don’t want to view all of the content from my subscribed communities in a single view. I want to be able to tap on something like Android and then only view the content from all instances with the same community name that I’m subscribed to.

                • @[email protected]
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                  211 months ago

                  I wouldn’t even want it restricted to the same community name, make it customizable. I’d love to be able to set up Android and FossDroid on the same feed for example. Or all the different selfhosted/homelab/datahoarders/etc. communities.

                • HobbitFoot
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                  111 months ago

                  Not right now. I imagine this would be added in an app sooner than the official distribution due to priorities.

        • Paradox
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          211 months ago

          It’s not hard to dedupe content. My RSS client has a feature that can hide duplicate articles based on a few different parameters. It’s not impossible to add something to Lemmy that does the same

          Also, back in reddit ancient history, there used to be a feature called “other discussions” which let you see the same link’s comments on other subreddits

        • Recreational Placebos
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          411 months ago

          I think that’s a bug, and doesn’t mean anything. Unless there’s a new bug I’m unaware of, which is completely possible.

    • Ghostalmedia
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      1511 months ago

      This feels like the argument people made against Android when Google announced that any manufacturer could have their own separate distribution.

    • @[email protected]
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      611 months ago

      What Wander replied. Also you can subscribe to which community has the most subscribers/most active. Having a couple communities of the same topic can also mean the communities can be smaller than one huge community. A smaller community can have better discussions than one huge community.

    • @[email protected]
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      511 months ago

      I mean there’s a subreddit for gaming and then there’s a subreddit for console gaming and a subreddit for patient gaming and a subreddit for video games in the subreddit for PlayStation etc…

      I understand a little confusion but if anything only having one subreddit for Android was a problem to begin with. And places like Android apps or Android gaming we’re probably a little too specialized

    • @yesterdayshero
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      511 months ago

      I’m with you. I’m already seeing duplicate posts/links shared across instances. Trying to work out how managing subscriptions will look as the platform grows.

    • @ghariksforge
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      311 months ago

      Friendly competition is always good.