I mean, I read it. I don’t know anything about the author, but the article is interesting enough. Especially the part talking about how China see the US. It’s all spot-on: basically rudderless, paralyzed with empty addictions to endless commodification, how we’re basically on a disastrous path because we have no spiritual needs met and we fill that hole with mindless indulgences.
The country has become severed from its traditions and is so individualistic it can’t make up its mind what it as a nation believes. Without an overarching culture maintaining its values, the government’s regulatory powers are weak, easily corrupted by lobbying or paralyzed by partisan bickering. As such, the nation’s progress is directed mostly by blind market forces… Thus, by turning everything into a product, Western capitalism devours every aspect of American culture, including the traditions that bind it together as a nation, leading to atomization and polarization. The commodification also devours meaning and purpose, and to plug the expanding spiritual hole that this leaves, Americans turn to momentary pleasures—drugs, fast food, and amusements—driving the nation further into decadence and decay.
Now, while all that is true, this person (china’s apparent “societal teacher” or something like that) has the wrong answer:
Wang wrote that the only way a nation can avoid the US’s problems is by instilling “core values”—a national consensus of beliefs and principles rooted in the traditions of the past and directed toward a clear goal in the future….To prevent China’s own technological advancement leading it down the same perilous path, Wang proposed an extreme solution: neo-authoritarianism.
That’s the most cynical possible takeaway from this very real problem. The answer, if you ask me, is not limiting people’s ability to indulge, but by offering spiritual fulfillment. That means taking those blind market forces and putting a short leash on them. Instead of letting the market lead us all astray, chain the markets and work for the betterment of society, not for profit.
In short, curtail capitalism.
The article was interesting. I’d suggest you guys read it.
The entire thing is predicated on the idea that TikTok is a feminizing, intelligence-destroying superweapon that can single handedly bring down civilizations (the only evidence cited are spurious correlations that treat IQ as a real science)
Even if you take that as the average view of the US in China, it’s still a leap to say they are, either actively or passively, planning the downfall of the US when the two countries are so entwined. It’s just more US vs China fearmongering
While he does say that TikTok needs to be regulated, nowhere does he advocate for larger scale curtailing of capitalism, and in fact ties all of his negative authoritarian points to socialism. It’s singling out TikTok for the larger sins of an unregulated tech industry
Incredible right wing MAGA Russia brainwashing diatribe. Honestly. You watch one video and the algorithm has you. All I get is fake news pressed as fact and the comment sections are atrocious. Oh and flat earth videos. I wish I could get some left wing stuff, it would make me a lot happier. I can see how people would fall in to a pit of despair and believe everything they see on TikTok.
I’ve heard “kids these days” don’t even google stuff any more, just search it on TikTok and have something explain it to them, wether it’s true or false.
You ever read 1984? You remember the bit about newspeak? Well go have a conversation with a zoomer sometime and pay attention to the word choice they use for controversial subjects like suicide and murder (self/other unalive), depression (big sad), pornography (corn), neurodivergence (neurospicy), etc.
I’m not saying TikTok is solely to blame, but content recommendation algorithms are definitely warping the language people use. Almost all of these genZ slang terms originated as weasel words to talk about these touchy subjects without getting deplatformed by an algorithm designed to keep things advertiser-friendly
It’s true that it’s affecting language, but if anything it shows that trying to force newspeak doesn’t really work. People get creative.
In monocultures like most of China, it can work locally, such as in suppression of knowledge of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, but outside their direct control they can’t stop the signal.
The fun part is that China doesn’t allow most or the stuff that TikTok is famous for in China, limits minors to 40 mins a day and does not allow access from like 10pm-6am. It’s telling that they have no problem allowing the app to bypass those restrictions in other countries.
Here’s what the Kagi Universal Summarizer spat out (says it saved us 18min of reading):
TikTok has become hugely popular due to its effective use of machine learning algorithms to determine what content users want to see. However, some argue that the app is designed to be addictive by optimizing for short-form, easily digestible videos that require little mental effort. Regular use of TikTok may contribute to declining attention spans and “digital dementia” over time. Additionally, China sees Western social media as a way to accelerate the decline of liberal democracies by promoting individualism, distraction, and decay of societal values. While concerns over TikTok’s addictive nature and China’s influence are valid, banning the app would not address the underlying issues and parental guidance remains important.
Or in key moments mode:
TikTok’s recommendation algorithm (the For You page) is very effective at figuring out what content will addict individual users and keeping them engaged with short-form, attention-grabbing videos.
Heavy TikTok usage may lead to “digital dementia” symptoms like loss of attention span, memory, and impulse control due to the passive, low-effort nature of consuming content on the app.
Chinese authorities like Wang Huning believe Western liberalism and capitalism inevitably lead to spiritual decay, nihilism, and civilizational collapse if left unchecked.
The Chinese government sees influencing Western youth culture through apps like TikTok as a potential way to accelerate this process of decline in the West.
Some theorists like Nick Land see Western capitalism itself as a kind of runaway “paperclip maximizer” that must be accelerated to transform the system rather than opposed directly.
Long-term overuse of addictive apps like TikTok that provide instant gratification could lower average IQ and harm a society’s economic and technological competitiveness.
Regulating or banning TikTok may not solve the problem, as other short-form video apps will likely replace it to meet consumer demand for low-effort entertainment.
The solution involves raising public awareness of digital addiction risks and changing social norms to reduce heavy app and social media usage, especially for children.
Parental controls and moderation are also important short-term measures, but long-term the issue requires democratic solutions rather than authoritarian control.
The potential long-term societal impacts of platforms like TikTok make addressing addiction risks a timely issue rather than something to wait for more evidence on.
Tldr bot were are you ? I need you.
TL;DR: right-wing hand-wringing over the app “turning the kids trans and lowering their IQ”
The author also has articles defending Israel and complaining about “woke ideology” if you need any more reason to skip it
Nah, “Substack” was enough for me.
I mean, I read it. I don’t know anything about the author, but the article is interesting enough. Especially the part talking about how China see the US. It’s all spot-on: basically rudderless, paralyzed with empty addictions to endless commodification, how we’re basically on a disastrous path because we have no spiritual needs met and we fill that hole with mindless indulgences.
Now, while all that is true, this person (china’s apparent “societal teacher” or something like that) has the wrong answer:
That’s the most cynical possible takeaway from this very real problem. The answer, if you ask me, is not limiting people’s ability to indulge, but by offering spiritual fulfillment. That means taking those blind market forces and putting a short leash on them. Instead of letting the market lead us all astray, chain the markets and work for the betterment of society, not for profit.
In short, curtail capitalism.
The article was interesting. I’d suggest you guys read it.
I did read the full article and am not convinced.
The entire thing is predicated on the idea that TikTok is a feminizing, intelligence-destroying superweapon that can single handedly bring down civilizations (the only evidence cited are spurious correlations that treat IQ as a real science)
Even if you take that as the average view of the US in China, it’s still a leap to say they are, either actively or passively, planning the downfall of the US when the two countries are so entwined. It’s just more US vs China fearmongering
While he does say that TikTok needs to be regulated, nowhere does he advocate for larger scale curtailing of capitalism, and in fact ties all of his negative authoritarian points to socialism. It’s singling out TikTok for the larger sins of an unregulated tech industry
TL;DR
THE CHINESE ARE ENDING THE WORLD WITH LIP SYNCING AND STUPID VIDEO CHALLENGES I AM VERY SCARED
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The only politics I learned on Tiktok was left leaning capitalism and basic socialist ideas.
If that’s radical then Lemmy is worse.
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True!
What have you seen?
Incredible right wing MAGA Russia brainwashing diatribe. Honestly. You watch one video and the algorithm has you. All I get is fake news pressed as fact and the comment sections are atrocious. Oh and flat earth videos. I wish I could get some left wing stuff, it would make me a lot happier. I can see how people would fall in to a pit of despair and believe everything they see on TikTok.
I’ve heard “kids these days” don’t even google stuff any more, just search it on TikTok and have something explain it to them, wether it’s true or false.
Part of me wants to investigate, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to mess up my algorithm. I wonder if I can have a second account somehow.
Ha! I feel like there isn’t anyone who isn’t considered a fascist on Lemmy 😉
That’s exactly what a fascist would say!
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Go on…
What are you scared of?
Why would you assume I didn’t understand the idea of an anonymous account?
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You ever read 1984? You remember the bit about newspeak? Well go have a conversation with a zoomer sometime and pay attention to the word choice they use for controversial subjects like suicide and murder (self/other unalive), depression (big sad), pornography (corn), neurodivergence (neurospicy), etc.
I’m not saying TikTok is solely to blame, but content recommendation algorithms are definitely warping the language people use. Almost all of these genZ slang terms originated as weasel words to talk about these touchy subjects without getting deplatformed by an algorithm designed to keep things advertiser-friendly
It’s true that it’s affecting language, but if anything it shows that trying to force newspeak doesn’t really work. People get creative.
In monocultures like most of China, it can work locally, such as in suppression of knowledge of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, but outside their direct control they can’t stop the signal.
“Every new word the kids use is literally 1984” - an idiots guide to linguistics.
The words you mentioned were made to appease the extremely sensitive sensibilities of advertisers, not really the effect of a government conspiracy.
My god it’s Chinpokomon all over again
For us turning to ultranationalism will not be a move of racism, but of self-preservation.
shut the fuck up dork
Oh no ! All you had to do was uninstall it .
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The fun part is that China doesn’t allow most or the stuff that TikTok is famous for in China, limits minors to 40 mins a day and does not allow access from like 10pm-6am. It’s telling that they have no problem allowing the app to bypass those restrictions in other countries.
Here’s what the Kagi Universal Summarizer spat out (says it saved us 18min of reading):
TikTok has become hugely popular due to its effective use of machine learning algorithms to determine what content users want to see. However, some argue that the app is designed to be addictive by optimizing for short-form, easily digestible videos that require little mental effort. Regular use of TikTok may contribute to declining attention spans and “digital dementia” over time. Additionally, China sees Western social media as a way to accelerate the decline of liberal democracies by promoting individualism, distraction, and decay of societal values. While concerns over TikTok’s addictive nature and China’s influence are valid, banning the app would not address the underlying issues and parental guidance remains important.
Or in key moments mode: