Slavery requires a lack of compensation, which was nowhere implied. A mandatory civic responsibility to participate in the government—a government that everyone benefits from, and one that doesn’t fucking work if people don’t participate—does not meet any definition of slavery.
Be that as it may, a civil service obligation does not meet any reasonable person’s definition of slavery. Equating the two is both offensive and fallacious.
A lot of reasonable people define forced labor as slavery:
The condition of a slave; the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another.
A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.
Forced labour, or unfree labour, is sometimes used to describe an individual who is forced to work against their own will, under threat of violence or other punishment. This may also include institutions not commonly classified as slavery, such as serfdom, conscription and penal labour. As slavery has been legally outlawed in all countries, forced labour in the present day (frequently referred to as “modern slavery”) revolves around illegal control.
None of the examples listed correlates with a civil service obligation. Based on your statements here, I don’t believe you have any idea what you’re talking about. I’ll not waste any more of my time indulging you.
“chain around your neck, abducted from your place of birth, sailed across the world stuffed into a deck 2 foot high, sold to the highest bidder, brought to a farm, whipped until you’re bloody, served gruel, tortured at will, killed if you escape, never being compensated for your labour, worked until you die or killed off when no longer economically useful”
… and …
“joining the forces for 9 months, fully paid, or become a conscientious objector and file books in a library for 9 months; in either case your full legal rights remain”
There’s a wide spectrum of bonded servitude between plantation slavery circa 16th century and the Levée en masse. Regardless, when jobs are obligatory, and the option to change jobs is difficult or impossible, it opens the victims up to abuse, which develops universally.
So while I can see you’re trying to make a case for the latter, as if it isn’t cause for harm, invariably it will drift towards the former, and history has demonstrated it time and again. The United States, especially cannot be trusted; if we wanted a truly professional military force, we would utilize poverty and lack of civilian opportunity to drive our recruitment. To the contrary we’d full transparency that our soldiers are treated well from recruitment to death.
The United States should have let sexual assaults get out of hand. They should have been generous to their wounded the shell shocked and the families of the fallen. There shouldn’t be a running litany of officers who bully the ranks beneath them, sometimes to the extent of extortion and violence.
Not that it will stop the US from restoring the draft once it neuters democracy and becomes a one-party autocracy. But when that happens it will be only months before Fall Weiß.
I didn’t say I see no difference? Killing someone by slowly torturing them over years and just shooting them is different. They’re both still murder though. Forced labor is slavery, some slavery is worse than others- but all slavery is bad.
No, slavery is slavery, even if its for a noble cause.
Slavery requires a lack of compensation, which was nowhere implied. A mandatory civic responsibility to participate in the government—a government that everyone benefits from, and one that doesn’t fucking work if people don’t participate—does not meet any definition of slavery.
No, that is a definition that was constructed as apologism for various different forms of forced labor
Be that as it may, a civil service obligation does not meet any reasonable person’s definition of slavery. Equating the two is both offensive and fallacious.
A lot of reasonable people define forced labor as slavery:
None of the examples listed correlates with a civil service obligation. Based on your statements here, I don’t believe you have any idea what you’re talking about. I’ll not waste any more of my time indulging you.
Forcing someone to do civil service is unfree labor, depriving you of freedom of action. Also, you can disagree without being rude.
So you see no distinction between…
“chain around your neck, abducted from your place of birth, sailed across the world stuffed into a deck 2 foot high, sold to the highest bidder, brought to a farm, whipped until you’re bloody, served gruel, tortured at will, killed if you escape, never being compensated for your labour, worked until you die or killed off when no longer economically useful”
… and …
“joining the forces for 9 months, fully paid, or become a conscientious objector and file books in a library for 9 months; in either case your full legal rights remain”
?
There’s a wide spectrum of bonded servitude between plantation slavery circa 16th century and the Levée en masse. Regardless, when jobs are obligatory, and the option to change jobs is difficult or impossible, it opens the victims up to abuse, which develops universally.
So while I can see you’re trying to make a case for the latter, as if it isn’t cause for harm, invariably it will drift towards the former, and history has demonstrated it time and again. The United States, especially cannot be trusted; if we wanted a truly professional military force, we would utilize poverty and lack of civilian opportunity to drive our recruitment. To the contrary we’d full transparency that our soldiers are treated well from recruitment to death.
The United States should have let sexual assaults get out of hand. They should have been generous to their wounded the shell shocked and the families of the fallen. There shouldn’t be a running litany of officers who bully the ranks beneath them, sometimes to the extent of extortion and violence.
Not that it will stop the US from restoring the draft once it neuters democracy and becomes a one-party autocracy. But when that happens it will be only months before Fall Weiß.
I didn’t say I see no difference? Killing someone by slowly torturing them over years and just shooting them is different. They’re both still murder though. Forced labor is slavery, some slavery is worse than others- but all slavery is bad.