• @proper
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    719 months ago

    so they have the “right” to rack up debt then rip-off the credit providers? they just think they found a “loophole” to steal?

    • @BonesOfTheMoonOPM
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      509 months ago

      They think, and I am being serious, that the government has a secret bank account created in their name at birth worth 2 million dollars, and this is a “trust” they can use to pay for things by writing nonsense documents to various officials. They think that money was outlawed by the US government and that you can only pay in real silver.

      • @cmbabul
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        209 months ago

        Wait what!? If they think money is outlawed by the US government how do they explain let alone go to the grocery store? And who do they think issued all the money that exists everywhere

        • @Maalus
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          139 months ago

          It’s simple. Other people don’t know that money is outlawed and they use it. So a sovciv will use it too, and when asked to pay, they try to weasel out by saying money isn’t real.

      • partial_accumen
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        169 months ago

        They think, and I am being serious, that the government has a secret bank account created in their name at birth worth 2 million dollars,

        I have so many questions!

        Someone told them they got $2m, they’ve never seen anyone officially acknowledge this, they’ve never seen any of their friends that believe the same thing produce anything close to proof this exist…and they believe this?

        Why $2million? Why not $1million or $1billion?

        If the government outlawed money, wouldn’t the $2 million also be outlawed or at least worthless?

        If they think the government outlawed money, what do they call all the currency we’re carrying around and why do they even want it?

        I don’t expect you to have answers. I understand you’re reporting the crazy, not a believer in it.

        • @BonesOfTheMoonOPM
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          139 months ago

          From this article: https://www.isdglobal.org/explainers/sovereign-citizens/

          "Financial schemes Tax protest and financial schemes form an important part of Sovereign Citizens’ acts of resistance. One of such practices is known as the ‘redemption scheme’. It rests on the assumption that the U.S. government uses its citizens as collateral to pay off foreign debts.

          According to this theory, the government uses people’s strawmen identities to set up secret trusts in their names that hold hundreds and thousands of dollars. Some Sovereign Citizens believe that by filing certain IRS forms or by signing bills and tax forms with notices like “Accepted for Value”, they can access and spend the money in their secret account. Other financial schemes include efforts aimed at evading state and federal income taxes, hiding assets or eliminating debts. Most of these activities are considered fraudulent and result in bank, tax or wire fraud charges. "

          The 2 million part seems to be a randomly assigned number but it’s what I see them claim again and again.

          The rest of your questions I can’t answer except to say sovcits sure do use money when it suits them.

      • @proper
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        119 months ago

        ah ok thanks, that makes sense. Not like how things in reality make sense but it makes sense they would think that and then behave the way they do as a result.

    • Ricky Rigatoni
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      109 months ago

      just do it the actual legal way and declare bankruptcy like the rest of us 🙄

    • @[email protected]
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      99 months ago

      A lot of the times these sovcit types of people try and “pay” their debts using a secret bank account the US government provides. I think in this case he’s trying to argue that since he never signed a physical contract, he doesn’t need to pay his debts. He is seemingly unaware that contracts can be proven by actions. If he used the card, he accepted the terms of payment.