• @Daft_ish
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    14 months ago

    I refuse to believe you are a real person. Maybe a masterful troll. This statement is bottom of the barrel levels dumb.

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      4 months ago

      I’m not a troll. Are you interested in discussing your opposing position or just crapping on mine and walking away?

      If my first post was too wordy my thesis boils down to this: At least in Tesla, which is the only one I have first hand knowledge of, the paid addons are not required. If others want to buy them, they’re welcome to, but I’m not and the resulting experience of the car I’m quite satisfied with. If you read a number of the replies from others, they’re trying to make my position something it isn’t and then knocking down that strawman.

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        4 months ago

        Most of the car subscription items don’t bother me. Many are like cosmetic skins in game.

        I am not wasting my time other than to argue over this position. Anything else take up with anyone else, not me specifically. What I’ve quoted is a stupid position that relys for us consumers to overly rely on the car manufacturers. If tesla wants to strictly lease cars that is their right but if you are selling me a car as a service be explict. If you are selling me a car you are selling me a car with complete functioning features. I cannot depend on a company to last forever. When it tanks and my car bricks, that is unacceptable risk for buyers. Do not capitulate to the auto manufacturers. Its a brain dead mistake and no amount of corporate cup and ball games will make me change my mind.

        • partial_accumen
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          14 months ago

          I cannot depend on your company to last forever and when it tanks my car bricks and that is unacceptable risk on a buyers behalf.

          I’m not aware of any core features for functionality that would stop working if the company tanks. The only re-occurring subscription with Tesla is the premium connectivity which the web browser and internet streaming music services.

          Do you have the expectation that automobile manufacturers should be required to provide a free internet service in perpetuity for purchasing a car?

          What part of the car do you believe stops working if the company tanks?

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            4 months ago

            This is the end game of add-on services. This is the end game of subscription based service. Transfer all the liability to the customer and put them on subscription based services. Buy our cars, now featuring enshitificstion.

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              14 months ago

              This is the end game of add-on services. This is the end game of subscription based service.

              It sounds like you’re speaking about a possible future of where this could go, and not what is today with Tesla at least. Since the only subscription on Tesla is the optional premium connectivity, Tesla isn’t the start of that. Your complaint is with General Motors with its Onstar service started 28 years ago. source. Just like GM Onstar, the Tesla car still works fine without that subscription.

              Transfer the liability to the customer and put them on subscription based services.

              Which liability are you talking about?

              You didn’t answer my clarifying question about your statement of how the car would be bricked if the company goes under.

              • @Daft_ish
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                14 months ago

                I’m done go away

                • partial_accumen
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                  14 months ago

                  I’m done go away

                  You’re done? I’m not sure you ever go started. So far you’ve never talked to me, just at me.

                  You threw out, what I believe, are incorrect conclusions, never responded to my followup clarifying questions, then threw out a bunch of vague statements disconnected from any conversation. I’m not sure why you even posted your criticisms if you don’t feel strong enough to defend them.

                  Have a nice day anyway!

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                    4 months ago

                    Shill or troll, why won’t you just shut the fuck up? I’m not interested in your dumb opinion and I’ll keep saying it.