• @cynar
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    210 months ago

    Common goals, with a strong unifying purpose for 1. Opportunities for significant advancement. Significant investment into medical care. Strong leadership direction. An extremely egalitarian society. Filtering of those in power.

    Just because it’s a horrifying setup doesn’t mean it doesn’t have advantages. It’s possible to dissect a large complex idea and extract useful tools from it. It also helps you better see the pitfalls, both to help you make decisions on it, and explain the problems to others.

    A couple of examples. The Nazis significantly improved the fitness level of a large chunk of the population. Nazi scientists were also critical in America making it to the moon. The current German autobahn road network is one of the best built in the world.

    Just because the source is horrifying doesn’t mean everything it is attached to is also horrifying. The catch is separating the 2, or explaining why the cost is not worth the benefit.

    And just to clarify. I’m a strong proponent of a robust social safety net. I also think all “natural monopoly” infrastructure should be controlled by a government owned non profit. Capitalism and nationalism should be treated like fire. A fire in a hearth will keep you warm. A fire in a smelter will help make steel. A fire in your bedroom will kill your family. Useful, but controlled and channeled.

    • @WaxedWookie
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      110 months ago

      Common goals, with a strong unifying purpose for 1.

      In no way reliant on a benevolent dictator, and using authoritarianism to push a purpose generally results in outcomes like genocide and the annexation of neighbouring territories.

      Opportunities for significant advancement.

      The opposite is typically true as autocratic leaders use their power to entrench their power, enforcing strong hierarchies.

      Significant investment into medical care.

      This one is a mixed bag, but also isn’t remotely dependent on an autocrat.

      Strong leadership direction.

      That needs to point in a positive direction for it to be a positive - something that’s almost never happened for long

      An extremely egalitarian society.

      The opposite is almost invariably the case - preferential treatment (generally paired with bloodshed) is necessary to keep the powerful in power.

      Filtering of those in power.

      Who filters the dictator? That would mean they’re not a dictator.