You can train mice or pigeons to hit a button for reward, but the button has to dispense reward pretty much 100%. Once they’re trained, you can dial down the reward - 50%, 25%…1% - and they’ll keep mashing that button, doing work for free. Human buttons and rewards may be more complicated, but it’s the same thing.
Define “doom.” Reddit will lose its power users, its trendiness, and just become another forum for recycled content like 9gag or limp along like Digg or MySpace for years, but I don’t see it shutting down.
Yeah, pretty much. The sad reality is that only the most outspoken will actually make a switch. The vast majority will simply accept it as the new norm, because they don’t care enough to bother with a new platform.
for now. switches like this don’t happen one day to the next. reddit has broken a lot of trust with its core users and put things in motion that cannot be stopped, at least without extraordinary action that they’re clearly unwilling of. these processes will take years to play out but they’re happening.
same thing is going on with twitter. the easier mastodon becomes to use and the more twitter falls apart, the more the flow of users from one platform to the next will pick up the pace.
The apps are going to be a game changer. If they can make it easier and intuitive to sign up, manage your accounts, find communities, and eventually group communities together and filter your feed, casual users will start flocking. It’s all about the UX and UI.
I hope to see the apps even accept donations and distribute part of it to the Lemmy devs and server hosts to help keep things sustainable.
It’s a web app. Recently it’s become even more optimised, I can now type and navigate Lemmy without any lag on my phone at all. It’s not as choppy as you’d expect websites to be.
Same! Also I just installed the Mlem beta and while it’s a bit buggy, it already works pretty well and it seems to work better for me than Wefwef (and it’s native which for me is a plus)
For those waiting, definitely try out Memmy for iOS. Right now it is in Test Flight, but should be releasing any day now. The dev seems super passionate and the app has gotten exponentially better in just a couple weeks.
I’ve been switching between Memmy and Mlem. Both have their share of missing features right now, I’m usually sticking with one until I hit a need to switch.
I’m keen to give it a go but the beta is full. Am keeping an eye out for the app store release! In the meantime Wefwef is excellent and I may end up sticking with it anyway (no harm in shopping around though!)
you’re talking about the 0.1 of the 1/9/90 rule resisting the clearly telegraphed decay of the platform they poured 5-15 years into on average. they built that place, do not underestimate the lengths they will go to keep it up.
assuming one more round of further threats, my prediction is that about half the currently protesting communities will either switch to a new form of protest, stop, or be made an example of, by about the end of july. but for a proper “end” of the protests, spez would be lucky if it happened by the end of the summer, and their negative impact on the platform is already severe and permanent. i honestly don’t know if the admins are stupid and/or out of touch enough to not notice the drop in content quality or are just bold enough to lie about it, but this spells the beginning of a long and inevitable process of people leaving to better sites as those who gave reddit its unique value stop contributing and giving lurkers a reason to stay.
reddit will never feel the same again, but it will feel about the best it ever will again around the end of the year, before the decay truly sets in. unless the admins choose that time for the next round of killing off old reddit, of course.
lol without an app on my phone, I tried opening r/pics on my mobile browser to see the damage, only to be met with a “you must view NSFW communities in our app” page.
Its going to be a while. Most content creators especially comic artists, streamers and youtubers are still on reddit. Their fans are there, and its unlikely they’ll budge until the comic artists post here too, or the mods of the youtube communities announce a migration.
I disagree. I know and follow a bunch of creators on social media and twitch, but even as a Reddit power user I knew so few specific users. Influencers may post links to their content but their Reddit account is hardly relevant.
As much as I’d love to log into Reddit and see this go down, I’m happy just not using Reddit. How much longer do you think they’ll hold out?
Do not underestimate average people’s resilience to enshittification
I just saw someone on one of my fb groups saying she’s heard a lot about reddit lately and wanting to make an account and asking how it works.
I tried to ward her off but the negative press just seems to be enticing new users.
My guess ist that if she still is on fb in 2023 she might actually love it on Reddit now and in the future…
That’s fine, they’re the people we don’t want over here. They’re part of Reddits problem.
Tell her one of the Lemmy apps is Reddit
It’s Teddit.
You can train mice or pigeons to hit a button for reward, but the button has to dispense reward pretty much 100%. Once they’re trained, you can dial down the reward - 50%, 25%…1% - and they’ll keep mashing that button, doing work for free. Human buttons and rewards may be more complicated, but it’s the same thing.
It’s the mods leaving that are going to doom the site. The users will follow soon after
Define “doom.” Reddit will lose its power users, its trendiness, and just become another forum for recycled content like 9gag or limp along like Digg or MySpace for years, but I don’t see it shutting down.
I fear this is true. 🤦
It doesn’t matter, at this point. Lemmy is already a good-enough replacement for reddit, with better core principles, and it’s just getting better.
Get some popcorn and watch the drama, and expect nothing.
It’s okay to expect more drama though, right?
Second drama? I don’t know if they know about second drama.
I trust in spez to commit to even more enraging changes to Reddit. When it’ll happen idk, but it most definitely will
You can always expect more drama.
I heard some people still use …Twitter!
Truly insane
Yeah, pretty much. The sad reality is that only the most outspoken will actually make a switch. The vast majority will simply accept it as the new norm, because they don’t care enough to bother with a new platform.
for now. switches like this don’t happen one day to the next. reddit has broken a lot of trust with its core users and put things in motion that cannot be stopped, at least without extraordinary action that they’re clearly unwilling of. these processes will take years to play out but they’re happening.
same thing is going on with twitter. the easier mastodon becomes to use and the more twitter falls apart, the more the flow of users from one platform to the next will pick up the pace.
The most outspoken are also the ones generating the most content.
Yeah, for now people are still going to incidentally use reddit for human-written non-seo optimized text.
Heck, I needed it last night for help with my computer.
Things will climax once sync for reddit releases their Lemmy app in 2-4 weeks
The apps are going to be a game changer. If they can make it easier and intuitive to sign up, manage your accounts, find communities, and eventually group communities together and filter your feed, casual users will start flocking. It’s all about the UX and UI.
I hope to see the apps even accept donations and distribute part of it to the Lemmy devs and server hosts to help keep things sustainable.
As an Apollo user, switched to wefwef and suddenly its like Reddit 10 years ago. Lots of interesting and weird content with great UX.
Is wefwef only for iPhone? I can’t seem to find it in the Google store.
Wefwef is a web app. You should be able to get it on anything with a browser.
wefwef.app
Awesome thanks 😊
It’s a web app. Recently it’s become even more optimised, I can now type and navigate Lemmy without any lag on my phone at all. It’s not as choppy as you’d expect websites to be.
https://wefwef.app
I use it as a web page on Android until sync for Lemmy comes out and it works great for me
Same! Also I just installed the Mlem beta and while it’s a bit buggy, it already works pretty well and it seems to work better for me than Wefwef (and it’s native which for me is a plus)
That and hopefully each app will create their own federations. It will be a refreshing to see the developers become the leaders
For those waiting, definitely try out Memmy for iOS. Right now it is in Test Flight, but should be releasing any day now. The dev seems super passionate and the app has gotten exponentially better in just a couple weeks.
I’ve been switching between Memmy and Mlem. Both have their share of missing features right now, I’m usually sticking with one until I hit a need to switch.
Both are great, Memmy is the winner so far.
I’m keen to give it a go but the beta is full. Am keeping an eye out for the app store release! In the meantime Wefwef is excellent and I may end up sticking with it anyway (no harm in shopping around though!)
I’m really enjoying wefwef. It’s basically Apollo for lemmy
A lot of us are looking forward to that day.
So far Connect for Lemmy feels close to sync. So far it’s working great on Android.
you’re talking about the 0.1 of the 1/9/90 rule resisting the clearly telegraphed decay of the platform they poured 5-15 years into on average. they built that place, do not underestimate the lengths they will go to keep it up.
assuming one more round of further threats, my prediction is that about half the currently protesting communities will either switch to a new form of protest, stop, or be made an example of, by about the end of july. but for a proper “end” of the protests, spez would be lucky if it happened by the end of the summer, and their negative impact on the platform is already severe and permanent. i honestly don’t know if the admins are stupid and/or out of touch enough to not notice the drop in content quality or are just bold enough to lie about it, but this spells the beginning of a long and inevitable process of people leaving to better sites as those who gave reddit its unique value stop contributing and giving lurkers a reason to stay.
reddit will never feel the same again, but it will feel about the best it ever will again around the end of the year, before the decay truly sets in. unless the admins choose that time for the next round of killing off old reddit, of course.
It really doesn’t seem like the cool place it once was. They took the vibe away with these API changes.
lol without an app on my phone, I tried opening r/pics on my mobile browser to see the damage, only to be met with a “you must view NSFW communities in our app” page.
you can use old reddit but it’s a pain and a half on mobile
Hopefully long enough for casual users to start looking for alternatives.
I hope this is true.
Its going to be a while. Most content creators especially comic artists, streamers and youtubers are still on reddit. Their fans are there, and its unlikely they’ll budge until the comic artists post here too, or the mods of the youtube communities announce a migration.
I disagree. I know and follow a bunch of creators on social media and twitch, but even as a Reddit power user I knew so few specific users. Influencers may post links to their content but their Reddit account is hardly relevant.