Willing to bet her state doesn’t have comprehensive sex education or free/cheap contraception. Welcome to creating a problem so you can ensure a poor and sick population to imprison.
Addiction is not something you can control. In a way she was sick and there is not very much she could have done. Sure, “don’t take drugs while pregnant” or “don’t get pregnant while being an addict” sound like obvious things, but drugs can cloud your judgement.
And that is before you even think about what constitutes as a “someone”. I don’t even want to start the discussion on it, but there IS the question of when a fetus counts as another life/person.
They should be rehabilitated in an institution that is set up to help them beat the addiction and re-join society.
If necessary, they should be removed from society and locked up, if they pose a danger to others.
Putting them in a typical American prison that is designed to make their life as miserable as possible while extracting free labor helps neither them, nor the victims, nor society.
In 1991 an alcoholic got drunk and killed my 16 year old brother with his car. Are you suggesting that he should not have gone to prison but instead should have been sent for treatment? I’m not so sure things are as black and white as you say.
I don’t think you read the comment you are replying to:
If necessary, they should be removed from society and locked up, if they pose a danger to others.
Putting them in a typical American prison that is designed to make their life as miserable as possible while extracting free labor helps neither them, nor the victims, nor society.
So then the woman that was taking meth, and killed her fetus is or is not liable for the death of the fetus? If your theory is that people that are in the middle of addiction are not responsible for their actions then that is pretty disasterous in multiple ways.
Plenty of drunks kill and maim other people because they decide to drive drunk. The punishment very rarely matches the crime, yet you want to impose harsher punishments because of a miscarriage that could maybe be related to drug use.
This also has the added layer of jailing someone who is struggling with addiction. Oof.
This poor woman needed treatment, not a manslaughter conviction.
Willing to bet her state doesn’t have comprehensive sex education or free/cheap contraception. Welcome to creating a problem so you can ensure a poor and sick population to imprison.
But what if her addiction killed someone, how would that not warrant jail?
It didn’t so you’re not making a point.
How do you know it didnt?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
What if her addiction was a dog, would you pet it?
No, it would be a methed out dog…
Addiction is not something you can control. In a way she was sick and there is not very much she could have done. Sure, “don’t take drugs while pregnant” or “don’t get pregnant while being an addict” sound like obvious things, but drugs can cloud your judgement.
And that is before you even think about what constitutes as a “someone”. I don’t even want to start the discussion on it, but there IS the question of when a fetus counts as another life/person.
So then people that are addicted should not be punished for crimes they commit related to their addiction?
They should be rehabilitated in an institution that is set up to help them beat the addiction and re-join society.
If necessary, they should be removed from society and locked up, if they pose a danger to others.
Putting them in a typical American prison that is designed to make their life as miserable as possible while extracting free labor helps neither them, nor the victims, nor society.
In 1991 an alcoholic got drunk and killed my 16 year old brother with his car. Are you suggesting that he should not have gone to prison but instead should have been sent for treatment? I’m not so sure things are as black and white as you say.
Since we cant force people to get healthy they will be in our society with their addictions. Should they be punished for their crimes?
I don’t think you read the comment you are replying to:
That is two different things, one is an active threat, the other is punishment for a crime.
Depends on the crime, the motive and their state of sanity.
Generally, it’s for a court to decide.
So then the woman that was taking meth, and killed her fetus is or is not liable for the death of the fetus? If your theory is that people that are in the middle of addiction are not responsible for their actions then that is pretty disasterous in multiple ways.
That’s not my theory, and you’re not interested in engaging with me in good faith, so good bye.
Plenty of drunks kill and maim other people because they decide to drive drunk. The punishment very rarely matches the crime, yet you want to impose harsher punishments because of a miscarriage that could maybe be related to drug use.
And if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bike.
False equivalence. The fetus had meth in its system, can meth kill fetus?