• mozz
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    I’ve had this conversation so many times that I’m just gonna link to earlier responses that apply to this message (edit: I screwed up my links initially; they’re fixed or the messages just pasted now). You said none of my points were true, so I’ll actually give a response to each and every one:

    America has literally never produced as much fossil fuels as we have when Biden has been president.

    How I feel about this argument (edit: fixed the link)

    How I analyze Biden’s climate performance (on track for 40%) is in the message you’re responding to; you can disagree with that number obviously but please either address the actual relevant performance-measurement number, or explain why you think that’s not a good way to measure a climate bill.

    Sounds like a lot, but not even a rounding error in total student loan debt, and the system is still broken.

    (Edit: I can’t link easily to the deleted thread. Response:)

    That’s an excellent point - it is absurd to talk in terms of “I can’t support Joe Biden because there are still items on my progressive wish list where he isn’t a clear enough improvement over the historical norm.” The fact that he’s objectively a huge step forward as pertains to climate change / student loans / marijuana legalization / etc, is a good reason to vote for him for as long as he’s a clear improvement (over the norm, let alone over the horrifying alternative in this particular election). While yes obviously continuing to work to move things forward towards real continued progress because we need more on top of that.

    It’s a good point, and I’m glad you brought it up.

    He could order it descheduled and be done before the week is over… That’s what he said he’d do, he hasn’t done that.

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    Good spot! I did in fact fail to mention that in addition to the federal marijuana legalization bill, and pardons for anyone in federal prison for possession, Biden did in fact do exactly what you’re not holding your breath for, ordering a reevaluation of the scheduling of marijuana. It’s a little bit of an empty priority, since just lowering its classification level would still leave it on the “illegal drug” list and doesn’t do much for anyone who’s in a state prison for breaking a state law, i.e. the DEA dragging its feet on actually doing it isn’t enough of a priority to spend time and political capital on.

    I could go on about how numbskulled it is to give the Biden administration a hard time for not doing enough to overcome Republican resistance to the big progressive steps they are taking, while simultaneously claiming that he’s deliberately doing nothing and that he’s functionally the same as the party that’s fighting to obstruct him (with some level of success). But I already made that point.

    Most of “the economy” is about the wealthiest accumulating a shit ton of wealth and record fossil fuels.production, that doesn’t help the working class, we’re still all fucked.

    I’m gonna make a “bad faith bingo” game where one of the squares is labeled “nihilism”.

    It’s actually exactly the same as the month before Biden took office…

    https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

    It’s exactly the same as 6.7% in December 2020?

    And Biden deserves no credit for unemployment returning to pre-Covid levels after the economic apocalypse which was 2020, down to a low of 3.4% which was never seen on that particular chart previously?

    You’re gonna have to give me some more details on what you’re claiming here.

    No, I’m explaining why Biden doesn’t have the support he had 4 years ago…

    While we still have time for Biden’s campaign team to do something.

    If you plan a picnic and it rains, are you going to go yell at the weatherman who predicted it because he said it was going to happen?

    He tried to warn you. And by your logic that means he not only wanted it to happen, he somehow caused it to happen…

    I thought about including “I’m on your side, I’m helping!” in Bad Faith Bingo. I had decided it wasn’t worth including but maybe I should include it after all. If you are trying to help the Biden campaign, a good start would be to stop lying in this particular engineered-talking-point way about what he’s accomplished with his time in office.

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      Your links are bad, they make people login to some random instance to view.

      Although I doubt I’m missing much, wanted to let you know you’re doing links wrong.

      Not sure why you couldn’t get my link to work, or where your numbers are coming from. Mine are from an official government website that tracks unemployment…

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        Oops. You are correct; I didn’t know the software worked like that. I fixed one link to lemmy.world, and just pasted the text of the other two (since it’s difficult to link to messages in the deleted thread.)

        Not sure why you couldn’t get my link to work, or where your numbers are coming from. Mine are from an official government website that tracks unemployment…

        Yes. These are your numbers:

        Want to explain?

        (Edit: I’m not surprised they don’t want to explain)