• @EndOfLineEnglish
    41•8 months ago

    The general take away is “Surveillance is oppression and it is the responsibility of the people to stand up against oppression”.

    A few other quotes I like that fit the theme.

    “People shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

    — V (V for Vendetta)

    “Without privacy, you can’t have anything for yourself. Saying you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

    — Edward Snowden

    • edric
      14•8 months ago

      Thanks for the summary. To respond to OP, no I don’t think this is the best explanation. The people who usually say they don’t care about privacy because they have nothing to hide are people who don’t care about surveillance either, so that doesn’t exactly change their minds.

      The best way to make them understand is to provide examples that may affect them directly. And I’m not talking about the “show me your phone” or “leave your bathroom door open” response, because that’s not a good example of mass surveillance that we are trying to explain to them. It’s hard to find the best comparison, but one example is home cameras and baby monitors. Those things are so insecure that anyone can access them over the internet. So we ask them, are you fine that any rando on the internet can tap your living room camera and watch you even though you’re just watching tv and not really doing anything private?

      • Fontasia
        0•8 months ago

        I’m not scared of governments surveying me, as someone who has worked for several national and local governments, they don’t have the time or budget. I’m not scared of advertisers surveying me, they’re just going to try and sell me something anyway. I’m not scared fo data brokers, they don’t want my data, they want to sell it to some one else for a profit and don’t really care about it.

        What I am afraid of is someone I’ve pissed someone off and that any of the groups above don’t care about my data enough to protect it from the asshole who will use it vindictively.

        • @scrion
          7•8 months ago

          Yeah, I think you might want to watch that video, you might be in the target audience without knowing it.

        • @solrize
          3•8 months ago

          I’m not scared of governments surveying me … they don’t have the time or budget… I’m not scared fo data brokers, they don’t want my data, they want to sell it to some one else for a profit and don’t really care about it.

          We’re in an era where surveillance is cheap enough that literally everyone gets surveilled, and we’re approaching one where the data will actually get analyzed (by AI) even when there’s no prior expectation that it will be interesting. And while the data sellers might not scare you, what about the buyers? E.g.

          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-15/the-brutal-fight-to-mine-your-data-and-sell-it-to-your-boss