• @A_Very_Big_Fan
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        8 months ago

        Lots of people say “fuck America” but I’m not upset by it personally. He didn’t say “fuck Israelis”

        • @[email protected]
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          78 months ago

          Good points. Its rough being a member of the majority that is not in agreement with the governmental official line. Like I’m pretty sure most Russians hate putin, most Israeli s hate Bibi, most Chinese hate Xi and most USians hate both Biden and Trump… But here we all are, just trying to do right by people as best we can while still keeping our families from being destroyed by the pressures that be.

          We just gotta keep the pressure up. Dont let the bastards grind you down. They are getting paid by some of the richest folks on the planet to do just that, while you have to make an honest living… Dont let them win. Keep your heart open to your neighbors and beyond

          • @A_Very_Big_Fan
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            8 months ago

            They are talking about a particular group though, not the entire population like you seem to have taken it. When people say “fuck America”, they’re talking about the American powers that be (the government, corporations, military, etc. depending on context).

            In this context, “fuck Israel” clearly is talking about the military powers. In religious contexts, some denominations of Abrahamic religions might say “fuck Israel” because of the land’s involvement in the story, and that wouldn’t mean the citizens either. It’d mean the religious institutions or the territory itself.

      • @[email protected]
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        188 months ago

        I’m sure not every single German during ww2 was a nazi. Your family might not actively support what’s happening but they are passively complicit and beneficiaries of what is happening by remaining in the country.

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          8 months ago

          I’m not even sure if they can just leave at this point

          • @WarlockLawyer
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            78 months ago

            Why not? Most have access to citizenship from their original countries? Plus the extreme orthodox just threatened to all leave if they get included in the draft

              • @WarlockLawyer
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                78 months ago

                70 percent were born in Israel. So thirty percent likely still have citizenship or could remain citizenship from their native land. The rest are mostly second or third generation so depending on ancestry many could claim citizenship by descent.

                • lad
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                  28 months ago

                  70 percent were born in Israel

                  That’s pretty much “most”. Also emigration isn’t just getting a one way ticket and that’s it. Not to speak of cases of bed-ridden or otherwise incapacitated people and their caretakers

                  • @WarlockLawyer
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                    28 months ago

                    Ah yes. We must promote the case of the small number of settler colonizers who are bed ridden to negate the overall colonizers in an apartheid state from having to do anything

            • @Pipoca
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              The fathers of 44% of Israel were born in Israel, as of 2015. I doubt they have dual citizenship, just as most Americans don’t have dual citizenship to their grandparents and great grandparents countries of origin.

              Also, most Mizrahim and Sephardim these days are living in Israel, similarly to how most Ashkenazim are in the US. Even if an Israeli somehow has e.g. Iraqi, Iranian or Yemeni citizenship, moving back probably isn’t a safe idea. Morocco is probably safer, though.

              After the fall of the USSR, there was also a huge wave of Russian emigration to Israel. Given conscription for the war in Ukraine, moving back now might not be the best idea.

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            138 months ago

            I compare them to germans who aren’t nazis living passively in nazi germany. If your family isn’t actively against what Israel is doing they are passively supporting it.

                • @Aleric
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                  48 months ago

                  The difference is they choose whichever context lets them play the victim.

              • @Aleric
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                88 months ago

                I hate to break it to you, but the ongoing Palestinian genocide puts the Israelis on par with Nazis. Feel free to pretend otherwise, but they both were/are a group justifying killing another group based on their religion/ethnicity with the underlying true purpose of taking their land and possessions while consolidating political power.