• @Downcount
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    I’ll help you with this sentence:

    … it defends itself against an undemocratic power.

    • Ogmios
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      Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people to have a say in their systems of governance.

      • @Viking_Hippie
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        Time to pull this one out from the archives again…

        • SVcrossDO
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          And it is fixed when you understand that it is a social contract. You breach the contract? Then tolerance no longer applies to you.

      • @Downcount
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        Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people a party that wants to dismantle the democratic state and bringing in nothing than hate to have a say in their systems of governance.

        • Ogmios
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          Maybe if you want to prevent such a hypothetical future the democratic solution is to offer something better for people to vote for, instead of using threats of violence by employing the law to enforce your systems.

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            There is and never will be a perfect system of whatsoever. I’d rather watch them nazi party get forbidden than waiting for a solution that will come in place when it is already too late.

            And unless you aren’t a nazi, putin follower or trumpist, I don’t know why I even have to explain why a German future with a nazi party at its front will be no good for nobody.

            • NoIWontPickAName
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              It is easy to say that when you’re not the one that they are using the law against.

              Will you say that when they come for you next?

              • @[email protected]
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                If they come for me because I’m a fascist, then yes, just take me out behind the shed and put me out of my misery.

                • NoIWontPickAName
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                  What if it’s for some other reason? You have to look at how easily this can be fucking twisted.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    If they came for me because I was a communist, socialist, trade unionist, or Jew? I would speak up and fight back.

                    If they came for me because I was denying people their right to exist, like I said, stick a fork in me, I’m done.

              • @[email protected]
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                Are you actually referencing the “first they came for the Jews but I wasn’t a Jew” thing to argue that we should let nazis go ahead and take the power?

            • Ogmios
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              The solution being proposed here to prevent authoritarian systems is… other authoritarian systems. Can you understand why people see this as a problem brewing?

                • Ogmios
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                  Removing people’s ability to choose the government they desire is not democracy.

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                    Unless they want to remove the ability to chose a government ever again.

                    What you are saying: It is okay to let facists and dictators take over the world.

                    What I am saying: It’s not.

                    Simple as that.

                    Feel free to answer this post, I’m out.

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            Fuck off you fifth pillar arsehole

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        Checks and balances are about preventing a small faction of the government from gaining absolute control of the entire government. It’s not about preventing a say, it’s about preventing a total takeover that prevents anyone else from having a say in the future.