• Nomecks
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    8 months ago

    Technically kosher because there’s no cloven hooves?

    • @[email protected]
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      398 months ago

      As a technical Jew I can say that yes, this is technically kosher ^disclaimer: I have no knowledge at all of Jewish custom or scripture^

    • gregorum
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      8 months ago

      They’re not technically kosher. Nor halal.

      NOT YET

      It hasn’t officially been ruled upon by either kosher or halal certification boards yet (although many Jewish and Islamic leaders have expressed differing opinions on the matter), but most lab meat growers very much hope it will be ruled as what is known as “parvere” — or not meat. That is to say, since it didn’t actually come from an animal, it’s not technically meat, it has no blood, wasn’t slaughtered, etc., and, as such is considered more in line with a vegetable or other foodstuff that isn’t milk or meat.

      If lab meat is considered in this way, it could clear the way for Kosher and Halal certification as well as for Hindus who do not eat beef, and many others with objections to eating meat for various reasons.

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          8 months ago

          We live in a brave New World, adjudicated by a very old and blind one

      • @[email protected]
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        88 months ago

        Imagine if the next big Abrahamic schism comes over wether or not lab grown meat is halal/kosher or not.

        • gregorum
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          78 months ago

          While the Christians cry over whether it’s “woke”.

          • capital
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            28 months ago

            The mere mention of stem cells will rustle all the Christian Jimmies.

    • @DucktorZee
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      298 months ago

      I culture cells for a living. Not that these are the only ways, but the most common and effective ways to grow cells in the lab is to add either FBS (fetal bovine serum) or BSA (bovine serum albumin) to the culture media. Currently we don’t mass produce BSA in an animal free manner and FBS is by nature an animal product. Granted, that the products of one animal may in fact allow manufacturers produce more than enough ‘animal-free meat’ to overcome this but I haven’t seen any numbers. I’m interested in hearing more about these techniques going forward and in determining if animal-free products can really be produced animal free.

      • @SlopppyEngineer
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        418 months ago

        Do you use Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) to make your meat?

        No, for a simple reason: we’re committed to making meat without causing any harm at all to animals. So we’ve developed a production process that doesn’t require FBS.

        That’s what they say.

      • @[email protected]
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        28 months ago

        What if it requires 1/1000th the number of animals … but each one suffers a hundred times more?

        Would it be worth it?

          • @[email protected]
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            48 months ago

            If you don’t have a way of quantifying suffering, perhaps all utilitarian calculus is bunk?

            • @[email protected]
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              18 months ago

              Unfortunately, I don’t really understand your response.

              You talked about one hundred times the suffering. What does that mean? To me, the way animals are held in mass production is completely unethical and there is no way to make it worse… So how do you make the animals suffer even more?

        • @nickiwest
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          58 months ago

          From a utilitarian perspective, you’re still reducing overall suffering by an order of magnitude, so your scenario is still a greater good.

        • @mojofrododojo
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          58 months ago

          stem cells can suffer? this isn’t cloning an animal, it’s cloning certain tissues.

    • kora
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      28 months ago

      Yes, very Kosher.

      source: porky the pig