For someone who thinks they’re so smart you sure have a lot of strongly held, dangerously outdated views.
We don’t correct mental disorders by “forcing people to be more ‘normal’”, we treat them so that the person with the disorder can have the most fulfilling life they can.
The reason we don’t let someone with anorexia stave to death is that they would die, which is not the most fulfilling life they can have. The reason we let someone with gender dysmorphia (after assessing that transition is the best solution for them) transition is that this lets them have, what is now statistically proven to be, the most fulfilling life they can have.
Forcing a square peg (neurodivergent individual) into a round hole (neurotypical behaviour) doesn’t make anyone happy. Instead we help them round their hardest edges and find the most ‘square hole’ shaped lifestyle they have access to means everyone is as fulfilled as possible.
No you just don’t like the terminology I use which is standard for people who mistake pretention for virtues. You know what I mean when I say ‘normal’ but insist on extrapolating it so you can wiggle in your bias so it fits. Never said “force people to be more ‘normal’” so that’s some cool quotes you pulled out of your ass, curious how you got them past your head like that.
Allowing someone with a mental disorder to undergo surgery which can be potentially irreversible isn’t comparable to the self harm that often accompanies anorexics? Last I checked we don’t allow anyone with body dysmorphia to change their bodies to be closer to that dysmorphic view but maybe that’s an ‘outdated’ look on mental disorders.
When you get tired of fighting a strawman, positions I never took, feel free to reply again. I never at any point said anyone with a disorder should be forced into anything. I expressed that treatments should be sought after and not disregarded because ‘reinforcing them gives a more fulfilling life’ as opposed to what? Not having the disorder? I would rather us find a way to make us comfortable in our own bodies than give up looking because “well we can’t force people with mental disorders to be ‘normal’! They’re fine just the way they are!”
What of those with the disorder who transition and regret it? Were we in the right for pushing them to ‘give them the most fulfilling life they can have’? To now be forced to live with a body that’s forever scarred, to live with the pain they’ll never be who they were again. I’m sick of those like you who are so eager to foster a new marginalized class that they fail to see these people need fucking help. Actual assistance. They aren’t just your buddies to be given flags, symbols, and marketed as your lost, victimized pets. But I guess it’s way too late for that.
Oh yes, the people who had surgery and regretted it and are now forced to live with the side effects, please tell me more about how no other surgery but gender affirming care has risks and side effects. Ridiculous.
I was BARELY paraphrasing your story about how antisocial people should just be made to socialise and be more normal instead of letting them be antisocial. That’s HARDLY the strawman you make it out to be. I also love how you get all up in a tizzy about barely being misquoted then do the same thing to me in your post.
Your incorrect use of the word “reinforcement” in this context has been corrected by others so at this point I can see you’re simply incapable of learning and improving yourself.
As for your claim to being “sick of people… fail[ing] to see [trans] people need fucking help”, if you really cared to help trans people you’d know that every reputable long term study of mental health from gender dysphoria shows the best long term outcome is from gender affirming care. Not from the neo-conversion therapy type approaches you’re clamering for. THAT’s why gender affirming care is now MEDICINE, and not forcing them to forget about being trans and just be normal or in your words move away from their dysmorphic view. Gender affirming care doesn’t mean surgery, it means letting them live how they want, and present themselves how they feel. This would have been the natural state of society of we didn’t have such rigid Christian gender norms. Certainly everyone else presents themselves how they feel. We know of several societies past and present where gender divergence was widely accepted with no issues so this isn’t even a new concept, it’s just letting the Christian cultural hegemony die.
Thanks for confirming my statement that you losers can’t keep politics out of this and that you’re more interested in keeping your protected, victimized class of people than getting sick people actual help. So much so you’d rather enable mental disorders than seek actual treatment to make them comfortable in the bodies they have rather than change their bodies to suit the disorder.
You’re a fucking monster, no different from the Christians with their shock therapy.
“gender affirming care is supported by science as providing the best life outcomes for people with gender dysphoria”
“You’re a monster, the real solution is clearly my idea because it matches my view of culture and reality regardless of what science and studies say”
And of course I’m the one “making this political”
I applaud your logic and reason sir.
PS shock therapy is now scientifically supported as a treatment for treatment resistant depression with excellent short and long term prognosis, so in the end you got one thing right: when used as prescribed by medical professionals gender affirming care and shock therapy are effective treatments for gender dysphoria and depression respectively. You didn’t intend to be right, but I suppose that’s the only way you end up on the correct side of any discussion.
PPS I missed the best irony in your comment. Christians used shock therapy as a dubious scientifically unsound treatment to stop gays from being who they are and go back to accepting their “normal” sexuality. And you’re trying to advocate for dubious scientifically unsound treatments to stop trans people from being who they are and go back to accepting their “normal” gender identity. Truly a gift of a comment!!
For someone who thinks they’re so smart you sure have a lot of strongly held, dangerously outdated views.
We don’t correct mental disorders by “forcing people to be more ‘normal’”, we treat them so that the person with the disorder can have the most fulfilling life they can.
The reason we don’t let someone with anorexia stave to death is that they would die, which is not the most fulfilling life they can have. The reason we let someone with gender dysmorphia (after assessing that transition is the best solution for them) transition is that this lets them have, what is now statistically proven to be, the most fulfilling life they can have.
Forcing a square peg (neurodivergent individual) into a round hole (neurotypical behaviour) doesn’t make anyone happy. Instead we help them round their hardest edges and find the most ‘square hole’ shaped lifestyle they have access to means everyone is as fulfilled as possible.
No you just don’t like the terminology I use which is standard for people who mistake pretention for virtues. You know what I mean when I say ‘normal’ but insist on extrapolating it so you can wiggle in your bias so it fits. Never said “force people to be more ‘normal’” so that’s some cool quotes you pulled out of your ass, curious how you got them past your head like that.
Allowing someone with a mental disorder to undergo surgery which can be potentially irreversible isn’t comparable to the self harm that often accompanies anorexics? Last I checked we don’t allow anyone with body dysmorphia to change their bodies to be closer to that dysmorphic view but maybe that’s an ‘outdated’ look on mental disorders.
When you get tired of fighting a strawman, positions I never took, feel free to reply again. I never at any point said anyone with a disorder should be forced into anything. I expressed that treatments should be sought after and not disregarded because ‘reinforcing them gives a more fulfilling life’ as opposed to what? Not having the disorder? I would rather us find a way to make us comfortable in our own bodies than give up looking because “well we can’t force people with mental disorders to be ‘normal’! They’re fine just the way they are!”
What of those with the disorder who transition and regret it? Were we in the right for pushing them to ‘give them the most fulfilling life they can have’? To now be forced to live with a body that’s forever scarred, to live with the pain they’ll never be who they were again. I’m sick of those like you who are so eager to foster a new marginalized class that they fail to see these people need fucking help. Actual assistance. They aren’t just your buddies to be given flags, symbols, and marketed as your lost, victimized pets. But I guess it’s way too late for that.
Oh yes, the people who had surgery and regretted it and are now forced to live with the side effects, please tell me more about how no other surgery but gender affirming care has risks and side effects. Ridiculous.
I was BARELY paraphrasing your story about how antisocial people should just be made to socialise and be more normal instead of letting them be antisocial. That’s HARDLY the strawman you make it out to be. I also love how you get all up in a tizzy about barely being misquoted then do the same thing to me in your post.
Your incorrect use of the word “reinforcement” in this context has been corrected by others so at this point I can see you’re simply incapable of learning and improving yourself.
As for your claim to being “sick of people… fail[ing] to see [trans] people need fucking help”, if you really cared to help trans people you’d know that every reputable long term study of mental health from gender dysphoria shows the best long term outcome is from gender affirming care. Not from the neo-conversion therapy type approaches you’re clamering for. THAT’s why gender affirming care is now MEDICINE, and not forcing them to forget about being trans and just be normal or in your words move away from their dysmorphic view. Gender affirming care doesn’t mean surgery, it means letting them live how they want, and present themselves how they feel. This would have been the natural state of society of we didn’t have such rigid Christian gender norms. Certainly everyone else presents themselves how they feel. We know of several societies past and present where gender divergence was widely accepted with no issues so this isn’t even a new concept, it’s just letting the Christian cultural hegemony die.
Thanks for confirming my statement that you losers can’t keep politics out of this and that you’re more interested in keeping your protected, victimized class of people than getting sick people actual help. So much so you’d rather enable mental disorders than seek actual treatment to make them comfortable in the bodies they have rather than change their bodies to suit the disorder.
You’re a fucking monster, no different from the Christians with their shock therapy.
“gender affirming care is supported by science as providing the best life outcomes for people with gender dysphoria”
“You’re a monster, the real solution is clearly my idea because it matches my view of culture and reality regardless of what science and studies say”
And of course I’m the one “making this political”
I applaud your logic and reason sir.
PS shock therapy is now scientifically supported as a treatment for treatment resistant depression with excellent short and long term prognosis, so in the end you got one thing right: when used as prescribed by medical professionals gender affirming care and shock therapy are effective treatments for gender dysphoria and depression respectively. You didn’t intend to be right, but I suppose that’s the only way you end up on the correct side of any discussion.
PPS I missed the best irony in your comment. Christians used shock therapy as a dubious scientifically unsound treatment to stop gays from being who they are and go back to accepting their “normal” sexuality. And you’re trying to advocate for dubious scientifically unsound treatments to stop trans people from being who they are and go back to accepting their “normal” gender identity. Truly a gift of a comment!!