WASHINGTON, D.C. – After narrowly backing Israel’s military action in Gaza in November, Americans now oppose the campaign by a solid margin. Fifty-five percent currently disapprove of Israel’s actions, while 36% approve.

  • @BrokenGlepnir
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    123 months ago

    Most of the people I’ve seen here are against Israel, even the ones who are against Russia.

    • @Ensign_Crab
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      Good for you. The centrists who love that the US is supporting the genocide they’ve always wanted scream “Russian” when anyone suggests that the US should stop supporting genocide.

      If you’ve never seen it, try being critical of the US’ support for Netanyahu.

      • @ghostdoggtv
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        I’ve never been accused of being Russian over my criticism of Nazrael. Did you read the article? It’s about how demographically, the statistical centrists have flipped against the Israelis.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness
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      They’re against Israel but when you say you’ll vote third party or sit out the vote you get people jumping at your throat and trying to deny reality by telling you to fall in like or we’ll get another Trump term. I don’t see it as much now but it was pretty common even just a couple of weeks ago.

      • @Ensign_Crab
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        They’re against Israel but when you say you’ll vote third party or sit out the vote

        No. They assume without evidence that opposition to genocide is advocacy for voting third party or staying home or voting for Trump.

        I see it constantly in this community.

        “Biden should stop supporting Netanyahu’s genocide.”

        “You think Trump would be better? Russian Chinese Republican nazi tankie child shill bot!!!”

        • @ghostdoggtv
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          This is not reality.

          The reality is that if you oppose genocide you get yelled at for continuing to show any support for the Biden campaign despite the fact that his opponent is the genocide-accelerationist candidate.

          And I’m someone who thinks we should defund Israel and then look away for a year or 5.

          Stop trying to have abstract parasocial arguments with entire demographics at once, you’re driving yourself nuts.

          • @Ensign_Crab
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            23 months ago

            This is not reality.

            I’ve been called a russian in this very thread for saying that Biden should stop supporting genocide.

            • @ghostdoggtv
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              I suppose that’s good enough for you to throw everything else I said out the window. Good morning.

              Edit: that or those comments were deleted by a moderator, I would invite you to reconsider throwing everything else I said out the window.

              • @Ensign_Crab
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                23 months ago

                I suppose that’s good enough for you to throw everything else I said out the window.

                Don’t say I’m lying about recent lived experience and I won’t point out how you’re wrong.

      • @chuckleslord
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        I mean, strategy in FPTP voting systems means that you aren’t voting for a candidate, but against the worst candidate. Is this not the correct understanding? Or does your state have RCV or another alternate voting system?

        Edit: I was downvoted, so maybe I misunderstood something. Could someone explain?

        • @ghostdoggtv
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          FPTP implies you’re voting against all the other candidates, not just against the worst candidate. I don’t think that’s worthy of downvotes though lmao I think state propagandists tend to downvote discussion that actually leads anywhere productive. Sorry.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness
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          The people who decided not to vote for Biden made that decision with this information in mind. The problem is: The enshittification of the Democratic Party relies on the idea that people will hold their noses and vote for the “lesser evil”. This nonsense is how we got Trump in 2016 and how we (or well you I’m not American) are going to get him in 2024. Even if everyone does hold their noses and vote for Trump we’ll get another Trump, then another, then another, until the Dems are putting children back in the mines and saying “but we’re better than the Republicans”.

          If people don’t put their foot down and demand change nothing will happen.

          Is this not the correct understanding?

          It is in very general terms, but when you get down to it it fails miserably, because when both candidates are bad people not all vote for the lesser evil; they just don’t vote. This depresses turnout for the Democrats (Republicans love Trump), when voter turnout is their lifeline. The people who voted for Biden in 2016 are extremely disillusioned with him for many reasons, not the least of which actively perpetuating genocide. This isn’t the recipe for high voter turnout. Essentially saying vote for the lesser evil works until the people you’re calling on say no thanks, and we’re way past that point.

          Edit: Grammar.