• @Rolando
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    1658 months ago

    Interesting article.

    “For every new plane you put up into the sky there are about 20,000 problems you need to solve, and for a long time we used to say Boeing’s core competency was piling people and money on top of a problem until they crushed it,” says Stan Sorscher, a longtime Boeing physicist and former officer of the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA), the labor union representing Boeing engineers. But those people are gone.

    • @[email protected]
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      1098 months ago

      Yes, a very interesting article. And awful to think annout all those top management people that caused this will probably not see any punishment at all. They have actual people’s lives on their conscience after those crashes, but I doubt they care.

      • @assembly
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        578 months ago

        It’s frustrating because instead of consequences, all they see are benefits. They got or are getting their paydays so it really worked out for the villains.

      • 7heo
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        418 months ago

        on their conscience

        🤣

        Thanks for the laugh, I needed that. 🙂

        • @[email protected]
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          48 months ago

          I’d say it’s on the conscience of people with actual conscience who decided that others have it too, and thus allowed such cockroaches to ruin wonderful systems.

          • 7heo
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            8 months ago

            There’s a wonderfully complex system of deferred responsibilities making sure that the people who actually caused this can have all the plausible deniability in the world, see themselves as having nothing to do with it, and enjoy a very relaxed life with riches we can only imagine.

            • @[email protected]
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              18 months ago

              In my opinion Hassan ibn Sabbah was the most perceptive libertarian in the history of this planet.

              In other words, how good can be all the bodyguards these people can hire to protect themselves from retribution, in case the small part of logically connecting them to an event is fulfilled by peaceful means?

              • 7heo
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                8 months ago

                That’s the point of the plausible deniability. You can go after them with a personal conviction, but you can’t go after them with proof. There’s nothing left to “logically connect”.

                Because they controlled the mechanisms that were designed to hold them accountable, and made sure not to be accounted for.

                Kinda like how attackers who intrude on a system delete the logs and other traces of their presence.

                • @[email protected]
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                  28 months ago

                  But that is a logical connection.

                  In many countries politicians intentionally try to keep the environment such that nobody would be to blame, but bad things would still happen. In many social structures - influential people.

                  That fact is enough of a crime itself.

                  Try approaching this like you would approach electrical engineering.

                  It’s a problem, not a dead end.

      • @APassenger
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        88 months ago

        “Good boundaries” are a helluva thing.

        Ergo: the person or team at fault are the ones who didn’t do the specific thing that was needed.