My wife once told me about how surprising it was that there were a non insignificant number of other women in her med school ethics class arguing that non-consensual exams were just fine.
I had a badly broken bone at one point and was put under general anesthesia to set it.
I woke up to a room of 12 people, many of them grimacing, in a much larger cast than I had been told I would have. I was pretty confused why so many people were in the room, and when i asked why my cast was so much bigger than expected i got a vague non answer.
The break healed cleanly to no lasting issue, but I’m relatively sure that they knocked me out and had some students set the bone, and they likely did it wrong. An actual doc likely had to fix it, and they went overboard on the cast to fully immobilize the area after the fix.
Not the same horror of a non consensual pelvic exam, but overall I think the whole “learn by doing” aspect of medicine, especially on unconscious patients that literally cant object to poor technique, is way more widespread than people realize.
I’ve seen students do casts on my kid. They oversized it by a good amount. The doc even told them that, right there and then. But it was a short term cast so we didn’t care.
My wife once told me about how surprising it was that there were a non insignificant number of other women in her med school ethics class arguing that non-consensual exams were just fine.
I didn’t even know this was a thing!!
I had a badly broken bone at one point and was put under general anesthesia to set it.
I woke up to a room of 12 people, many of them grimacing, in a much larger cast than I had been told I would have. I was pretty confused why so many people were in the room, and when i asked why my cast was so much bigger than expected i got a vague non answer.
The break healed cleanly to no lasting issue, but I’m relatively sure that they knocked me out and had some students set the bone, and they likely did it wrong. An actual doc likely had to fix it, and they went overboard on the cast to fully immobilize the area after the fix.
Not the same horror of a non consensual pelvic exam, but overall I think the whole “learn by doing” aspect of medicine, especially on unconscious patients that literally cant object to poor technique, is way more widespread than people realize.
I’ve seen students do casts on my kid. They oversized it by a good amount. The doc even told them that, right there and then. But it was a short term cast so we didn’t care.
Learn by doing? I can’t remember the last time they even allowed me the option of not having students work on me.