cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/15271710

Not a good result. The good amendment to add a warrant requirement failed on a tie vote; bad amendments to expand the scope of warrantless wiretapping passed. Next step: a Senate vote.

  • @Ensign_Crab
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    27 months ago

    The memo gwb ignored before 9/11 was before section 702 existed. 702 didn’t go into effect until 2008.

    If you don’t want me to downvote you, don’t lie in support of a gwb policy.

    • @Rapidcreek
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      That’s it isn’t it. You don’t understand the program, and the result is its bad.

      Section 702 is only the current iteration of a legal problem that has been brought to congress by FISA users since its inception. It really has nothing to do with the Patriot Act, and more to do with the inability of Congress.

      • @Ensign_Crab
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        07 months ago

        You don’t understand the program

        I understand that whenever a centrist is dead wrong about something, they pull this gaslighting horseshit.

        • @Rapidcreek
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          HILARIOUS

          You centrist! You’re gaslighting me with facts!

          • @Ensign_Crab
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            You pretended that a policy that didn’t exist before 2008 provided the intel Bush ignored before 9/11.

            You don’t understand how linear time works, and have presented no facts.

            • @Rapidcreek
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              You don’t understand how FISA was implemented. You’d rather be consumed by things you don’t know about than become aware of things that are totally out of hand.

              For instance, up the string I said that the courts have ruled that mobile location tracking wasn’t an issue where a warrant was needed. Not only that, but you don’t know mobile location tracking is commercially available. Anyone can buy the data, and that’s wrong. Senator Ron Wydon has been working on this for years. Instead of being worried about all the rights you have that are not being taken away, worry about the those that are.

              • @Ensign_Crab
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                17 months ago

                You pretended that section 702 got us the intel Bush ignored prior to 9/11. It couldn’t have, as it was implemented almost a decade later.

                You lied.

                • @Rapidcreek
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                  Sigh…if that’s the best you can do, I am now bored.

                  • @Ensign_Crab
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                    07 months ago

                    I’m not here to entertain you.