A devoted father with a zest for life, he was given an indeterminate sentence in 2006. He is still locked up – and losing hope that he will ever be released
He was given an indeterminate sentence, known as imprisonment for public protection (IPP). This meant that while he could be released after 19 months and 27 days, he could also be jailed for up to 99 years. IPP was first used as a sentence in England and Wales in 2005, having been introduced by Labour in 2003 to detain in prison people who posed a significant risk of causing harm to the public. It was a controversial sentence. Critics said that jailing people for what they could do, rather than what they had done, contradicted the basic principle of justice: that people are innocent until proven guilty.
I can almost understand the idea when applied to extremely dangerous individuals. There should absolutely be some kind of separate system for people who are too dangerous to be able to reintegrate into society.
A one size fits all justice system is a terrible way to run a society
In most cases, though, you can get those individuals on actual charges. People aren’t usually violent completely out of the blue and a suspicion of future violence might come from prior acts of violence or securing materials for mass violence (like building explosive devices)…
The rationale for detaining someone for public safety is almost always coming from prior acts that we have laws for. We should force law enforcement to actually use those laws since they’ll have a burden of proof to enact enforcement… the IPP loophole is awful because it leaves no legal recourse - there was no trial you can appeal or at least argue against.
I keep saying it would fix a lot of problems if police officers had to get (at least) an associates, ideally a bachelor’s and have to pass a board exam like nurses do. Make them have to buy license insurance like nurses do to defend you to your licensing board and that will start costing too much once you start having a sketchy record. It’s a (similar) level of responsibility (less power over their health, more power over their life).
I bring this up because they hammer into nurses that when patients start doing sketchy abusive shit to us (like yelling/hitting/throwing things and demanding we wash their genitals when they can do it themselves) you start documenting every time they so much as look at you funny so a) you can defend yourself and your license if you need to and b) so that the patient is more likely to face consequences for their shitty behavior.
It’s all about that paper trail and PD is not good at documentation ime. I won’t say my documentation is always perfect but if I knowingly tried to cover something up like the cops often do I would be caught immediately and completely screwed six ways to Sunday. If I turned off the unit cameras before giving shots or something I’d be lucky to ever work again. It felt like 50% of nursing school was just instilling a primal fear of the many regulatory agencies that exist within the Healthcare system. They really need a lot more fear.
Yeah, no shit. Jesus Fucking Christ.
Holy shit.
So basically anyone who is deemed enough of a nuisance can be indefinitely locked up?
not for the last 12 years, no.
Unless they already started it, apparently! Lol
I can almost understand the idea when applied to extremely dangerous individuals. There should absolutely be some kind of separate system for people who are too dangerous to be able to reintegrate into society.
A one size fits all justice system is a terrible way to run a society
In most cases, though, you can get those individuals on actual charges. People aren’t usually violent completely out of the blue and a suspicion of future violence might come from prior acts of violence or securing materials for mass violence (like building explosive devices)…
The rationale for detaining someone for public safety is almost always coming from prior acts that we have laws for. We should force law enforcement to actually use those laws since they’ll have a burden of proof to enact enforcement… the IPP loophole is awful because it leaves no legal recourse - there was no trial you can appeal or at least argue against.
I keep saying it would fix a lot of problems if police officers had to get (at least) an associates, ideally a bachelor’s and have to pass a board exam like nurses do. Make them have to buy license insurance like nurses do to defend you to your licensing board and that will start costing too much once you start having a sketchy record. It’s a (similar) level of responsibility (less power over their health, more power over their life).
I bring this up because they hammer into nurses that when patients start doing sketchy abusive shit to us (like yelling/hitting/throwing things and demanding we wash their genitals when they can do it themselves) you start documenting every time they so much as look at you funny so a) you can defend yourself and your license if you need to and b) so that the patient is more likely to face consequences for their shitty behavior.
It’s all about that paper trail and PD is not good at documentation ime. I won’t say my documentation is always perfect but if I knowingly tried to cover something up like the cops often do I would be caught immediately and completely screwed six ways to Sunday. If I turned off the unit cameras before giving shots or something I’d be lucky to ever work again. It felt like 50% of nursing school was just instilling a primal fear of the many regulatory agencies that exist within the Healthcare system. They really need a lot more fear.
That is called “life in prison without the chance for parole,” at least in the US.
It’s called “Three strikes you’re out” in some states. Commit three crimes of any severity and go away for a long time.