@SocialistMMA
How are these people not embarrassed they voted for Biden? That they used their giant platform to advocate voting for a murderer
Now these Dem ops like Hasan going to make posts like this all the way until November until he votes for Biden and tells his audience to do so again
How do anyone take these clowns seriously?
Source: https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1785636121025593748
I really don’t understand this particular style of objection. It seems like you think that voting for Biden automatically means that stuff like this will happen, and that voting for anybody else would have meant that it wouldn’t. So this means that you think that the president of the US has the wherewithal to halt the systemic violence of police, and that one of the possible candidates for president would have used said wherewithal to actually accomplish that over the objections of congress and local authority.
Ok. So we’re officially in fantasy land now. Tell me: who do you think would fit that role? Seriously - I want you to actually think about this and tell me who, in your infinite wisdom, would have been the choice candidate (who was actually running in the general election) in 2020 that would have had the ability to prevent something like this occurring.
Also, I would very much like you to tell me how any of the candidates running in 2020 would not have provided aid to Israel, even in the face of their ongoing genocide of the Palestinians. Please, I would love for you to tell me this.
The truth is, there is no candidate running in 2020 that would have accomplished these things. I get that you’re angry that there is evil in the world that people absolutely can do things about but are choosing not to, but living in a fantasy land where those heroes and saviors actually have a shot at becoming president does nobody any favors. Those of us who live in the actual real world try to vote for the people who have a shot at being a bit less evil than their opponents.
First statement is wrong off the bat. Trump was the one that was going to destroy US democracy, but as we can tell Biden/Trump have more alike than different. They are the duopoly that keep the status quo.
I am not sure of preventing it, due to protests being a right we all should have, but Jill Stein or anyone outside the duopoly would be an improvement.
I would say Bernie Sanders/AOC, but as we all now know, they sold out a while ago…
Jill Stein is a jewish candidate for 2024, this is just one known person that is actively involved in the protest and has spoken out against the genocide.
I am not angry, I am excited, just seeing Gen Z and how people are fighting for a change to the status quo is making many on the far left and other political leanings very hopeful!
I strive for closer to a revolution but that will most likely not happen, due to our police state and much more systematic problems that we face in the US.
Far left don’t even take advantage of our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms during protests, confirm with local laws before doing so though.
Just seeing how people think China has more propaganda than the US baffles me, our media is controlled by billionaires and a few corporations…
The lesser of two evils is still voting for evil, I would suggest to let yourself learn diverse ideas not just what is shown to you by gov’t and main stream media companies. I am more inline with Yanis Varoufakis views on this subject, many more also have great points that they have spoken.
Check out Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Yanis Varoufakis, and much more people outside the status quo. I tend to post and share some of them, while also being open to checking out what people and shows you may share with me!
Ok… this is a very long reply to my very long message. And there are a lot of things that I vehemently disagree with or want clarification for. So, I’m not sure how much patience you have, or how much you want to discuss, but I figure it’s probably best if we do a choose-your-own-adventure style debate here. To that end, I’m going to number the things that I will reply to, and you can reference those numbers in your reply (if you choose to make one), and that should add a little bit of order to our discussion. Hopefully. Otherwise, shit will grow to be downright unwieldy very quickly.
What statement is that? None of my first several statements seem to be the ones you’re referring to, or if they are, your reply doesn’t make a lot of sense. Can you please clarify? You can quote me by typing > and then pasting my words.
Were either of those people running for the general election in 2020? Sorry - that’s a leading question. They were not. I voted for Sanders in the primary, just as I did in 2016, but alas, he did not make it, and he did not choose to run for general election in 2020 as an independent. Also, AOC was not eligible to run, as she was not 35 at the time. So this is a complete red herring.
Do you think that Jill Stein had any shot of winning in 2020? I don’t mean an outside chance. I also don’t mean a “Mighty Ducks” if you believe, you can make it happen style chance. I mean any chance whatsoever of actually becoming president of the United States in the reality we currently inhabit. Even a miniscule one. Even an infinitesimally small one.
Ok. So, this one kind of depends on your answers to 2 and 3 above. Sorry about that; I was hoping to make it more modular, but them’s the breaks.
Of the candidates who were viable in 2020, which of them were not evil? If you think that all of the viable candidates were evil, is your recommendation to not vote? Do you not see any benefit to voting for someone who is less evil than their competitor?
Do Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, or Yanis Varoufakis have any solutions for us that might give us viable presidential candidates who are not evil? Or are they all speaking theoretically about a situation that does not currently exist in the world?
True, I tend to generalize and stick to the talking point where people can see where I stand on certain topics.
First paragraph, not statement… Biden/Trump will not change too much of the status quo, but some of what Trump did and how he ran should have taught the current admin things that would work. I guess that only worked because Trump was an ‘outsider’ and was not afraid to go against the RNC, to a certain degree. Do not get me wrong, I still see Biden/Trump more similar than different when it comes to changing the status quo.
AOC/Bernie sentence was more of an example showing that the democrats are not ‘left’, they are just really good at pretending to be. Bernie Sanders was just in the race to sheep herd people back into the blue team.
You can not change the system from within, the system will change you. Example: Justice Democrats, AOC is the new Nancy Pelosi (mama bear is no bueno, just another life long politician that pushes for the status quo at the end of the day).
Long term vs short term, I see Jill stein as a great stepping stone. The more people that leave the duopoly the better for the long run. Nationial election is not the big all, I and those that I share push for local and direct action in our communities.
The duopoly is ‘evil’, while also looking at RFK Jr. being in that same camp. 3rd party candidates are proven to be more trust worthy and willing to fight to change the status quo, just looking at their past and present politics. I have shared the 3rd party debates on some communities on lemmy if you would like to see what they have to offer.
Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, and Yanis Varoufakis do have theoretical and real world solutions to help us change the status quo. Some of what they said is what brought me to change my views on politics as a whole and my involvement in my community. I share their diverse ideas on lemmy so people can learn and improve on their ideas, while also seeing what they are doing to change the current system.
Ok, I think we’re talking past each other here. Your response to this post (and a couple others) indicates to me that you don’t place a lot of importance on the role of a president. For example, you directly say in this post:
And all of that would be fine, except the whole reason we’re having this conversation in the first place is that you posted this picture with the title:
So… how do you square asking how the people who voted for Biden are not embarrassed by the fact that they voted for Biden with your seeming apathy about who actually becomes president? As Sesame Street used to say, “one of these things is not like the other”.
One of the major advantages of being president is using their influence to change the status quo, we know Trump/Biden will not do this to help the wokring class.
That is why, some in my circles do not see the president as our saviors that will fix all our problems, we push for being closer to this mantra:
This would have a much bigger impact in our communities and in helping the working class people!
This post and some others I share are to push back against the Lemmy status quo politicial views, which are to help people see diverse ideas instead of the same stuff that keeps being posted.
I hope this has helped you understand a bit more of why I posted this twitter post, and will continue to do so, while also taking the time to try and explain a different political view point so you may have a bit more of understanding when you try to ‘step in my shoes’ per se.
Thank you for contiuing this conversation, I hope this has helped you in starting to question and critize what the status quo pushes, either it being Trump/Biden and the owner class!