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    He’s also cherry picking data. It’s a weird flex.

    The proportion of immigrants in the US isn’t exactly high compared to somewhere like Canada.

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      I mean the US is 15% immigrants, or about 50 million people. I know we like to shit on the US but that’s a ridiculously big number.

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        In terms of raw numbers thee US has a huge population so it has more of everything, whether that’s immigrants or murderers or doctors or pedophiles.

        In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.

        Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.

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          Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.

          He’s not boasting; he’s saying that immigration would do a lot to solve their problems; and he’s correct. I hate Biden’s guts but he’s correct here. For context Japan is a notoriously xenophobic country and currently sits at a 2%. They’re not “a random country”.

          In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.

          I mean people deciding to come to your country isn’t proportional to your population, or really related at all. It’d be like expecting China to have the same 15% as the US (for context that’d be about 250 million people). That’s just not how that works.

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            I agree he specifically called out Japan to contrast with the US because its immigration was weaker.

            people deciding to come to your country isn’t proportional to your population

            Are you saying fewer people decide to come to the US than to those other countries?

            Seems unlikely. Pretty sure the US could let in a lot more immigrants if it wanted to.

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              Pretty sure the US could let in a lot more immigrants if it wanted to.

              I mean yes that’s the case for everyone. I’m saying the number of people applying to immigration to the US isn’t four times that of Germany, for example, so even if they accept people according to the exact same criteria Germany will have a bigger percentage.

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                Are you sure? I’d expect the number applying to the US would be hundreds of times higher than the number applying to New Zealand.

                I don’t especially love or hate Biden btw, I mean I can’t stand US foriegn policy on the Gaza Genocide but it’s not like their other mainstream politicians wouldn’t have done more or less the same. It’s a real pity the US hadn’t been able to elect someone like Bernie Sanders.

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                  I’d expect the number applying to the US would be hundreds of times higher than the number applying to New Zealand.

                  How so? Western, and especially Anglosphere, countries all get ridiculous amounts of immigrants. Also remember that New Zealand is a stone’s toss away from South East Asia. It’s a very attractive immigration destination for pacific islanders and Asians.