The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
Part of the problem with this stance is that the US has a knack for also locking up innocent people.
Take this, for instance, where they coerced a confession, locked up a Dad for 8 months, and the actual perp left a pair of shoes with his name written in them at the fucking scene:
That’s a valid point. I don’t take anything the police or courts say at face value, but does anyone dispute that Xandan is in prison for being a violent piece of shit?
Probably Xandan. I’m not familiar at all with the case but I know the state thinks in every case every accused person is guilty and therefore we shouldn’t care about their human rights any longer because they are forfeit.
But the reality is that we’re all deserving of rights and basic human decency, even the worst offenders, because treating people who committed horrific crimes horribly does nothing to undo those crimes and multiplies them, and it allows anyone who has been framed for doing something awful to be treated the same way even if you think “an eye for an eye” barbary is any way to solve things, which I do not.
There are many reasons why inhumane treatment of prisoners is wrong, and the chance that the person is actually innocent is only one of those.
I agree, I’m just not interested in hearing about it from someone who is entirely focused on how bad it is for them personally unless they’re claiming to be innocent or they’re owning their mistakes
Police coerce “confessions” out of people pretty often. People swear up and down that they’d never confess like that, but it’s hard to know until you’re in the situation yourself.
There is a way out too: say lawyer and refuse to talk to them.
The guy’s mental state was likely in the toilet, and then they sweated him for hours at the station.
Because we have a callous justice system that exists to feed slave labor to capitalists. It’s not a system designed to rehabilitate or facilitate penance. It doesn’t exist to benefit society at large. People who get caught up in it without actually victimizing anyone deserve sympathy at the very least.
Nah fuck this dickhead. How anyone can read the prattle of this guy and not be sickened by the hypocrisy is beyond me.
My principle is to support and empower marginalized inmates at all costs so none will be victims of genocide and none will become extinct.
Said the bloke, who went on a robbing spree and murdered two people. Murdering one man unnecessarily (even his accomplice thought this) and then failing to kill another; leaving him permanently blind in both eyes. Bet he was super concerned about their rights before it impacted his life right?
Fuck his opinion on anything. He may be right that prisoner deserve basic rights and not to be abused in prison but I have zero interest in hearing about it from a murder, especially one so utterly tone deaf to write like that.
Adams and Gulley are also charged with capital murder in the death of 49-year-old Pascual Montealvo. Montealvo was shot to death at about 10:40 p.m. on Sept. 27 outside the Crystal Ballroom on Northwest Highway, where he’d been attending a quincineara with his daughter. Montealvo had walked outside to talk on his cell phone when Gulley and Adams tried to rob him and Gulley shot him in the chest.
Damn, that must be fucked to be the daughter having your dad murdered over something so stupid
Yeah and then you read on a sizeable site that your fathers murderer wants to “support and empower minority inmates at all cost”. Guess marginalised civilians don’t count. What a joke of an article.
That’s an… interesting… presumption. I was just wondering what inspired you to come to such a conclusion. Was it from direct evidence or from something else?
Not sure if you saw my edit but apparently I just totally misread the comment I replied to. I was actually agreeing with that comment and dissing the commenter above that
To be honest the whole thread was a bit of a roller coaster… I’m still not sure what was happening, nor could I understand why your comment about sympathy for certain prisoners was received so poorly. Internet, huh?
Sounds pretty shitty but I’ll save my sympathy for prisoners that didn’t rob and murder people
Which prisoners do you have sympathy for and why?
The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
Part of the problem with this stance is that the US has a knack for also locking up innocent people.
Take this, for instance, where they coerced a confession, locked up a Dad for 8 months, and the actual perp left a pair of shoes with his name written in them at the fucking scene:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Fox
That’s a valid point. I don’t take anything the police or courts say at face value, but does anyone dispute that Xandan is in prison for being a violent piece of shit?
Probably Xandan. I’m not familiar at all with the case but I know the state thinks in every case every accused person is guilty and therefore we shouldn’t care about their human rights any longer because they are forfeit.
But the reality is that we’re all deserving of rights and basic human decency, even the worst offenders, because treating people who committed horrific crimes horribly does nothing to undo those crimes and multiplies them, and it allows anyone who has been framed for doing something awful to be treated the same way even if you think “an eye for an eye” barbary is any way to solve things, which I do not.
There are many reasons why inhumane treatment of prisoners is wrong, and the chance that the person is actually innocent is only one of those.
I agree, I’m just not interested in hearing about it from someone who is entirely focused on how bad it is for them personally unless they’re claiming to be innocent or they’re owning their mistakes
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False confessions are shockingly common. The Innocence Project does a lot of good work exonerating people who were wrongfully convicted: https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/
Here’s some more info on false confessions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession
Police coerce “confessions” out of people pretty often. People swear up and down that they’d never confess like that, but it’s hard to know until you’re in the situation yourself.
There is a way out too: say lawyer and refuse to talk to them.
The guy’s mental state was likely in the toilet, and then they sweated him for hours at the station.
Why?
Because we have a callous justice system that exists to feed slave labor to capitalists. It’s not a system designed to rehabilitate or facilitate penance. It doesn’t exist to benefit society at large. People who get caught up in it without actually victimizing anyone deserve sympathy at the very least.
My “why?” is asking why you don’t have sympathy for those other than the ones you mentioned.
Maybe that’s what you meant but that’s sure not how it looks in context
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Nah fuck this dickhead. How anyone can read the prattle of this guy and not be sickened by the hypocrisy is beyond me.
Said the bloke, who went on a robbing spree and murdered two people. Murdering one man unnecessarily (even his accomplice thought this) and then failing to kill another; leaving him permanently blind in both eyes. Bet he was super concerned about their rights before it impacted his life right?
Fuck his opinion on anything. He may be right that prisoner deserve basic rights and not to be abused in prison but I have zero interest in hearing about it from a murder, especially one so utterly tone deaf to write like that.
Edited to fix pronoun misinterpretation.
Damn, that must be fucked to be the daughter having your dad murdered over something so stupid
https://dallasvoice.com/2-lesbian-teens-charged-in-shootings-that-left-2-dead-1-injured/
Yeah and then you read on a sizeable site that your fathers murderer wants to “support and empower minority inmates at all cost”. Guess marginalised civilians don’t count. What a joke of an article.
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That’s an… interesting… presumption. I was just wondering what inspired you to come to such a conclusion. Was it from direct evidence or from something else?
The dude’s post history. He bitched about lefty solar panel owners and gender issues, so I jumped to conclusions about him
Edit: fuck me I just realized I misread the comment I replied to lol.
I’m really happy you did some research rather than plucked an opinion out of the ether. Thanks for the answer.
Not sure if you saw my edit but apparently I just totally misread the comment I replied to. I was actually agreeing with that comment and dissing the commenter above that
They misread my comment about solar and completely imagined that I said anything about gender issues, but whatever
To be honest the whole thread was a bit of a roller coaster… I’m still not sure what was happening, nor could I understand why your comment about sympathy for certain prisoners was received so poorly. Internet, huh?
I guess you could presume that if you’ve got some sort of delusional persecution complex, I’m not going to judge you for it.