Liberal in what sense? Every country has slightly differing views on what “liberal” means.
Presumably liberal in the American use, as in “conservative with a slightly less shitty coat of paint”
“Conservative but not Christofascist.”
Loves guns, but is quietly resentful that they love guns.
Those who claim to support minorities but act like minorities with no power even when they hold office.
Liberal means “not communist or openly fascist” to the far left
The plutocracy has sway over both sides of the political aisle.
Unfortunately Democrats are still leagues beyond republicans. There’s not much choice at all.
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Wut
They’re making perfect the enemy of good and wiping away the good things that democrats do.
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I’m stealing this. As a sovereign citizen it is my right! /s
Making perfect the enemy of good? What? You seeing the same thing?
Like holy shit imagine the amount of cognitive dissonance you must need to defend democrats not doing anything while in office xD
The point is that they do things but it would never be good enough for smug contrarians
Oh yea they do so much, like forgive student loa–sorry I mean being the most pro union preside–I mean putting an end to genoci–I mean raising the minimum wa–wait wait I swear liberals don’t just sit on their ass all day and collaborate with the GOP just gimme a sec
I saw a list of things Biden had done so far a year ago and I’m sure you’d shit all over it but it’s not nothing
I saw one too, I didn’t read the whole thing but what I saw was 80% half-fulfilled promises and 20% just blatantly bad shit like supporting Israeli occupation of Palestine and expanding our oil industry. I’d almost rather he literally didn’t do anything instead of just figuratively doing nothing
I saw the same list. There was also a lot of duplicate entries, taking credit for the UAW’s work, and giving Biden credit for Obama’s accomplishments.
This is fascinating. Your comments come across as very combative and angry, while most responses read and feel calm, if defensive, and often trying to process a point with other facts or claims. I want to ask why you don’t shift how you say things and support your arguments? I shit you not, most of us on the not-fascist side don’t mind listening to alternative views and perspectives. They just need to be laid out in a way that also doesn’t make us feel as if we need to go on the defensive. That’s conversation. It’ll get us all somewhere rather than drawing lines just to draw them.
Pathetic
Holy shit: the lack of your knowledge on how legislation works is astounding.
Centrists think doing nothing is the same as doing good.
Democrats aren’t good tho, they literally are the enemy of good. If they weren’t evil they would do literally fucking anything about republicans and capitalists trying to take our rights and go full of fascist. But nope, it’s always “waahhhh gop won’t let us do anything :cccc” while letting republicans do literally anything they want
This is ignorant and false
they’re literally aiding and abetting a genocide right now as we speak
they happily enacted legislation penned by the freaking heritage foundation that put a tax on not having health insurance (read: a tax on not purchasing services from a private company while having a human body), and strutted about like it was a win
not to mention the VP’s track record with trans rights (hint: as AG of Cali she went out of her way to land trans women in men’s prison, against the prevailing policy in Cali at the time)
'member when Biden campaigned HARD on LGBT rights, and then told us to pipe down and wait our turn when he took office? We’ve not stopped backsliding since the Trump admin on that stuff.
The Dems are lying to you.
The Dems and Rs are playing good cop bad cop and always have been. They are very clearly on the same side, and the rest is a show to get willfully clueless and baby-brained people to support them.
Most of this is speculative, but regardless voting anything but Dem in the United States objectively hurts (potentially )any non-rich person.
Why are you spreading pro-republican messaging?
why is your reading comprehension so bad? why are matters of public record “speculative” in your eyes? Why are you defending people complicit in a genocide? at least finish reading before you go twisting my point.
Don’t have time to read every message raving bOtH sIdEs
moreover, why do you think dem-enacted policies such as taxing the uninsured doesn’t hurt the working poor?
Again, can one party stop the other from doing things or not? If republicans can stop democrats from pushing through their legislation, the only reasonable explanation for democrats not doing the same to republicans is that they choose not to
So there’s something that renders democrats completely incapable of ever stopping republicans from doing anything? Bc otherwise they’re just liars and collaborators, no other explanation for trying to meet actual fascists in the middle and never doing fuck all to stop them
It’s always odd to see how the ones that know the least are the ones that are also the most confident… and insufferable
I’ll take that as a “no, democrats just choose not to ever stop republicans from fucking things up” unless you can explain why they don’t (“republicans won’t let us” isn’t an explanation, unless it’s somehow codified that democrats have to support republicans)
FYI, it’s no on else’s job to educate you. And that’s not the attitude one learns with
That said, gets my take: there’s three branches of government. All three have been relatively compromised. To your main question, Congress controls legislation and it’s been compromised because it over-represents a specific demographic (read: mostly white people places with relatively low populations). And well, American whites are a special bunch. The executive branch is compromised in a large part for the same reason - the pres is elected via electoral college which again over-represents white (I mean, wtf is there two Dakotas? We barely need one and they get 4 senators even though only 5 people live in each state).
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Jesus Christ. spot on in sentiment although I might shop around for a different format.
Why? What’s wrong with meowpoleon?
The scene in the painting is of Napoleon after he had definitely done something.
Napoleon, despite the whole “overthrowing republic in favour of monarchy” thing is considered to be one of the main reasons the ideals of the Revolution managed to stick in Europe. Napoleonic Code was a piece of legislation far more progressive than most of that era, and continued to be used in many countries that were subservient to Napoleonic France until the 20th century.
Ah yes, he was a very progressive emperor, I’m very smart :3
ITT American liberals realize they’re not leftists
LiberalpoliticiansSo…. Is it ALL of Lemmy that’s bOtH siDeS now, or just certain parts of it. I’d like to know if it’s time to go back to Reddit.
Most lemmy instances are overwhelmingly leftist. If you’re a leftist, democrats and republicans are to the right of you. So, it’s less “both sides” and more “these two things are on the same side, which is to the right of me.”
That makes a lot of sense. It’s deeply misguided and dangerous, but it makes sense.
“it’s misguided and dangerous to recognize that the good cop and the bad cop are both cops and both want the same thing from you” bruh wat
You are free to feel about that perspective however you like, but I personally (and I’d imagine there are others who feel the same) find the idea that you can’t criticize a major political block if you also criticize its opposition to be itself misguided and dangerous.
In what way is it misguided? Why are you on an anticapitalist platform instead of the Capitalist one, Reddit, if you don’t agree with leftist structures?
Surely the thought occurred to you that Reddit went to shit because it’s a Capitalist structure, and the things that protect Lemmy from that are the rejections of Capitalism?
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ROFL! I’d love to be there when you learn that life exists within the grey area between the boundaries of your extremist black-and-white ideology.
I’d imagine you’ll feel so much better.
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What is my “extremist bullshit?” Thinking that democracy is a good thing?
Til criticizing democrats is centrist
Rofl… you think this kid is a democrat?
?? What kid are you talking about? Are you following your leader and going senile or something? Literally just saying how according to you and other liberals any sort of criticism of democrats is the same as saying both sides are exactly the same
Calling one’s self a vegetarian whilst eating a ribeye doesn’t make one a vegetarian.
I’m done arguing with you kids.
You and the child I blocked are clearly socialists. You don’t get to switch to being democrats when the argument suits you. And no- before you think to say more stupid shit…
They’re not the same thing.
Blocking you too, as your comment history shows you have nothing of value to add to this discussion. And for the record:
You and those like you are FAR worse than trumpers. Because at least they’re ignorant enough to not know how badly they’re fucking their own country.
You CHOSE to.
I never claimed to be a democrat xD you should take boomer’s advice and cope
man that’s a hilariously knee-jerk take, with zero effort toward understanding the people you’re demonizing.
I think Reddit is the place for you, after all. Slide on into that easy-to-grok, oversimplified, politically narrow US overton window safe space and consume the partisan garbage there to your heart’s content. We like thinking over here.
Naaah. You like protesting with inaction over here. You don’t like the choices, you take your vote and go home only…. That’s not how it works in the real world.
You don’t vote- you get trump. It WILL be your fault.
Meanwhile Biden has continued most Trump-era policies, almost like this red vs blue garbage is just that. We’ll have fascism either way, enjoy your sheeplike complicity.
Just this tokenboomer guy posting stuff like this. I swear on this sub, any time it’s a crazy “but muh both sides” post, it’s this dude. Idk if a troll or a plant or a true believer. But it’s just so aggressively something that it does stand out as odd.
Believe the Noble Lie.
Good to know. I’ll just block him.
Believe the Noble Lie
I figured I’d wait to see what you’re about before I blocked your ass.
Got all I need to know. You’re going to cringe HARD when you grow up. Hope you still have friends when that happens, it it’s going to suck for you.
Lol… I’m 62. I grew up and became a socialist.
I’m glad my country is never ruled by just one party. The neoliberal party needs a coalition with better parties and they actually push some good stuff through. Last time we got free public transit within a county and this time we got same-sex marriage. The neoliberal party has been screwing with the economy though and we got like the highest inflation and highest rise in housing prices in Europe.
Lemmy discovers presidents are not dictators
Good point, there truly is no middle ground between doing nothing and being a dictator
