• Flying SquidM
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    69 months ago

    I know this is totally a Daystrom question, but do you think you could make a cloaked ship appear by spraying it with an opaque substance like paint? Should starships come with giant paint nozzles?

    • @[email protected]
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      99 months ago

      Deflectors would atomize small particles coming in at it like that, automatically the same as it handles meteorites and leftover screwdrivers left in orbit (bc at faster-than-light travel speeds those could HURT! maybe not worse than stepping on a Lego but still bad!).

      But probably some method of friend-v-foe could be devised - e.g. instead of paint, send out tachyon or chroniton bursts? Hehe, send everything around you back and forth through time, and then look for the ripples of a cloaked ship moving into position? Probably not so good for the environment though…

      On the other hand, cloaking devices have the strongest protection possible in that entire universe, making it impossible to break through their… plot armor!

      • Flying SquidM
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        99 months ago

        And then there’s “the Federation would never use the cloaking technology that our two main enemies use because that wouldn’t be fair” plot device.

          • @ummthatguy
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            89 months ago

            Wasn’t that a negotiated exception for the sake of the war with the Dominion?

            • NegativeNullM
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              89 months ago

              Yes, that’s true. They had a Romulan on board to control it for them.

              • Flying SquidM
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                79 months ago

                Who they forgot about after 3 or 4 episodes.

              • teft
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                19 months ago

                That was Seska pretending to be a Romulan.

        • @[email protected]
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          69 months ago

          Isn’t it because of the treaty of Algeron. Which ended up being broken by the captain of the Pegasus and Starfleet intelligence which was then publicly denounced by Starfleet command to avoid retaliation by the romulans.

          • Flying SquidM
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            19 months ago

            It’s a stupid treaty provision. “We won’t develop technology you and the Klingons already have and use against us all the time” would be one thing if the treaty was a surrender, but it wasn’t, it was a brokered treaty to prevent a war after an incident that went undescribed but was responsible for significant, but not on the scale of Wolf 359 significant life loss. It’s a hell of a thing for the Federation to give up and the actual reason why is never stated.

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              29 months ago

              It also resulted in romulans falling back to their own territory and allowing for federation control of planets like Kotaari which is a huge boon for its dilithium reserves alone. The romulans also thought the federation was developing WMDs after the Tomed incident essentially turned an entire sector of space into an inhospitable wasteland. They probably also didn’t want to start another war on the scale of the first romulan war, especially with the romulans having no hesitation when it comes to war crimes.

        • IninewCrow
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          49 months ago

          So the real question to the Daystrom Institute is “What can the federation do against ‘Plot Devices’”

          I’ve heard of these ‘plot devices’ before and they seem to have a major affect on many different universes.

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          39 months ago

          Except we know that somehow they get over that in the future. What if the Federation had greatly improved upon clocking technology the whole time and then the moment those protections expired could basically move around the galaxy freely at will? :-P (yet probably still choose not to, for that reason;-)

          Like, I don’t recall ever so much as seeing or even hearing of a Klingon scientist, ever:-P.

          • @[email protected]
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            59 months ago

            There are many Klingon scientists, they just end up being part of a different caste than the warriors who are mostly seen on ships. Kurak was a warp field specialist, Korath was a scientist who invented the chronodeflector used in Voyager’s finale, J’Dan (while also a spy) was an exobiologist, Antaak was a physician and researcher of metagenics. To say the Klingons had no scientists is just incorrect.

            • Flying SquidM
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              59 months ago

              Typical anti-Klingon racism of humans. Remember how Riker had to meet Klingons to find out they were capable of laughter when Klingons laugh all the time?

              • @[email protected]
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                39 months ago

                Haha right, it seems like every Klingon that isn’t worf laughs all the time. Not even subtly, like full on deep belly laughs.

            • @[email protected]
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              29 months ago

              I didn’t say that they did not exist, just that I did not recall them - apparently I have a very poor memory;-)…uh…what was I saying again? ;-P

              Anyway, thank you for the nice list of them, it does help.

              • @[email protected]
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                29 months ago

                Haha yeah that’s fine, they really don’t show up that often so it’s not that surprising you forgot them.

                • @[email protected]
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                  39 months ago

                  You would think that they would get at least some credit - like the person who invented cloaking technology gets 1/1000th of every kill that is made that is directly attributable to the use of the technology.

                  Except that makes way too much sense for Klingons to do it - they are the bad guys hence they are anti-science, unlike us now… oh no we are so in trouble.

    • teft
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      49 months ago

      One episode of Enterprise has the crew finding a cloaked ship by ejecting and igniting warp plasma so i would say yes.

  • @aeronmelon
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    69 months ago

    Nero clicks every square

    “FIRE EVERYTHING!!”

    • Flying SquidM
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      59 months ago

      I don’t believe in a no captcha scenario.

  • @EdibleFriend
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    19 months ago

    Just go play with some shit over in the wall. That should cause them to decloak