A notorious, convicted terrorist said Palestine should resist by any means necessary.
That was Nelson Mandela
The ANC didn’t liberate South Africa with a cute hunger strike in prison.
Isn’t it weird that I can’t find any western media outlets reporting this? Super weird right, I just can’t figure out why.
Democracy Now has a good segment on it
I wouldn’t say any, but I did find two UK-based.
I’m just wondering if this is really a priority to report on its own.
It’s the second most powerful and influential nation in the world saying the Palestinian armed resistance is completely valid.
Yes it’s a priority report.
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support anything China and Russia do
You’re literally quoting a comment where I rightfully disapprove of what the then Russian leaders and traitors did, ignoring their own laws at that.
Gorbachev and his western capitalist friends’ illegal dissolution of the USSR and forced change to capitalism was opposed by over 90% of the population, and was a disaster that the former Soviet states still haven’t fully recovered from 33 years later.
It resulted in wealth being transferred from the working class to the capitalists (which was the entire point of course).
Real incomes were cut in half, industrial production declined by 20%, and prices soared by 250%.
All the while health and education spending decreased, resulting in a 12.8% increase in deaths, 6 year drop in life expectancy in Russia between 1991-1994 (for reference, it dropped by 1 year during Covid), and 85% of the population in former Soviet states going under the poverty line.
Basically, everything you’d expect to happen from a Socialist union being forced to become capitalist, happened.
Not to mention the global impact of post-Soviet states, now controlled by capitalists, no longer wanting to oppose imperialism on the world stage. If the USSR wasn’t illegally dissolutioned, they would continue to fund Vietnam, the NATO invasion of Libya would be thwarted, the numerous US-backed coups in Africa would be defended against, and the ongoing genocide in Palestine would be strongly opposed, as the USSR was already the largest funder of Palestine’s PFLP.
And of course, as I mentioned in the comment you quoted, the christfascists and nationalists would have been kept in check like they were in the USSR.
tankies
Meaningless term; it’s “woke” but used against communists and scientific socialists instead of socially progressive libs. Nice way to shut down discussion about economic inequality like how chuds use “woke” to shut down those for social inequality. Sounds cool tho
and they hate when you expose them.
“Lemmy Tankie EXPOSED (Gone Wrong)” lmao
No I don’t mind you asking about stuff you’re confused about so long as you do it in good faith, which this might not be ig.
I recommend Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts And Reds, and Albert Szymanski’s Human Rights in the Soviet Union (Including Comparisons with the U.S.A) if you want to learn more.
Second Thought also has a great well-sourced video on it.
Your anti-USSR bias comes from the decades of anti-communist and red scare propaganda in the imperial core.
Also, do you not agree with my statement that the christfascist church’s influence has increased far too much because of the illegal dissolution of the USSR? I’d think anyone with common sense would support keeping the right wingers and their regressive ideologies in check.
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I forgot how hard reading and critical thinking is for liberals.
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Sounds like you need to move on? This dude said nothing about “the illegal dissolution of the USSR” and you mention it like 3 times in your paragraphs? Also I don’t think the Christ fascist church influence increased because of the USSR breakup? Evangelialism was on the rise way before the collapse and I don’t think they’re really related. You should focus on more bigger issues than “the illegal dissolution of the USSR” that happened 30 years ago and not much can be done about it (unless you think the current state of Russia is saving it by invading Ukraine)
This dude said nothing about “the illegal dissolution of the USSR”
That’s literally the one thing they brought up and highlighted lol
Oh youre right.
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Zionists control the West, not Jews.
You’re equating Jews with Israel, so you’re basically on the same moral level as Israel and deserve just as much respect. So, fuck you.
Zionism is merely a tool for colonialism and imperialism that weaponizes and exacerbates antisemitism, not the other way around like you’re saying.
Colonialism itself is nothing new or exclusive to zionism.
Ew what the fuck is your life
cannot be equated with terrorism
The only terrorists here are the “israeli” militants.
Why is “Israeli” in quotes?
Cuz words like that are usually used for countries, while “israel” is just a western colony in Palestine.
I mean, Jewish people originally heralded from around the eastern Mediterranean, middle east? That would make them historically middle eastern rather than western. Or are we strictly talking about western powers giving the Jewish people a ‘homeland’ after the second world war and the holocaust?
I do not support the current actions of the Israeli government but it is wildely disingenuous to believe that the “only terrorists here” are the Israeli. The Hamas are also terrorists.
They attacked, killed, beat, and in all likelyhood tortured and raped unarmed civilians. They have previously publically stated that their goal is to exterminate all Jews. They are terrorists with genocidal goals.
I don’t support the current actions of the Israeli government in Palestine, but every time I see thee posts they are very one sided. Amidst those who oppose Israel and also oppose violence and genocide from both sides, often hide pure anti-semites who are using this opportunity to push for the extermination of all Jews. Neither that nor the current actions of Israel are acceptable.
I can’t believe this comment sating that the “only” terrorists are the Israeli has gotten so many upvotes.
Switch every instance of Israel and Palestine in your post and then read it again. It still applies.
They are doing the same things to each other.
Separate the kids and remove the one who was not there first.
Hamas’s strategies are no different from the Viet Cong’s; attacking villages, taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare) and they have the same goals (driving out foreign occupiers and reuniting their country). Was this “terrorism”?
By this logic the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was also terrorism since, regardless of its intentions and goals, it resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the nazis similar to how Palestinians are being killed by “israel” now after the Oct 7 operations.
their goal is to exterminate all Jews
You’re consuming too much zionist propaganda.
- Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas is currently the largest Palestinian armed resistance group (and was even directly elected by the people of Gaza at that) and deserves everyone’s support. Both-siding this in any way just because Hamas has flaws is not much different from both-siding with nazi Germany; even more so since zionism is a continuation of nazism, with the same goal of getting Jewish people out of Europe and weaponizing and exacerbating antisemitism.
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BREAKING: HAMAS OFFICIAL STATEMENT
We appreciate the position expressed by the People’s Republic of China, during the public hearings held by the International Court of Justice, on the legal consequences of the occupation policies in the Palestinian Territory, and its affirmation of the legality of the occupied peoples’ pursuit of self-determination, by various means, including armed resistance, and the necessity not to confuse terrorism with And the armed struggle practiced by the Palestinian people against the Zionist occupation.
We also value the positions of the countries participating in the sessions, which confirmed the widespread violations of international law practiced by the terrorist occupation entity against the Palestinian people and their occupied land, including massacres and genocide in the Gaza Strip, violations, killing, and expansion of settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem, and work to bring about demographic changes in the Palestinian land. It aims to Judaize her and tamper with her identity.
The terrorist occupation government’s boycott of the court sessions confirms once again its disregard for international institutions, and its policy of turning its back on international resolutions and commitments, which requires a clear position from the international community to end the rogue Zionist occupation, and to stop all its violations and crimes against our Palestinian people.
They’re like, hey, China, feel free to use our horribleness to cover your own.
I thought China was on team Israel. Or maybe I’m confused because they’re helping Russia, and Russia is on team Israel? International politics is weird sometimes.
Russia joined Iran last season when Iran started helping them in Ukraine, so they’re def. Team Hamas.
Who told you that? The only one who is still on Israel’s side is the US
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True.
The Uyghurs have a right to armed resistance too.
Uyghurs would have a right to armed resistance if they were being occupied, but—aside from the CIA-backed terrorists in the 2010s who went on sprees of knifing & bombing & running people over—the Uyghurs don’t think they are being occupied.
I’m sure the West is exaggerating the war-crimes China is committing, but Uyghurs were and are still most definitely oppressed
Even if the CIA backs a group, for example the Taliban, there is a root issue of oppression which inspires those resistance groups to take those CIA arms.
In the case of the Taliban it first was the Russians (and later on the Americans).
Even if the CIA backs a group, for example the Taliban, there is a root issue of oppression which inspires those resistance groups to take those CIA arms.
That can and does happen. But what also can and does happen is the CIA finds people willing to stir up shit just for the money and the opportunity to seize power.
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The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over, meanwhile it’s providing material support for a real one in Palestine as we speak, and Guantanamo Bay and other black sites are still in operation.
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- Uyghur genocide allegations
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The blueprint of regime change operations
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
No…ONLY the Palestinians
I was wondering why so many comments with any criticism against China were being downvoted.
Then I noticed which instance this was posted on.
And then all those comments were removed by mods. Which only proved their points.
Welcome to Lemmy. It’s not quite as full of imperial core propaganda about everything that challenges its imperialism as Reddit is.
Well, maybe except LW. Saw someone with a zionazi flag in their username there once.
This place is filled with crazy people. You will go mad if you start arguing with them.
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“Whataboutism” or me agreeing with the Chinese government for once?
Death to oppressors 🫡
The queen died over a year ago.
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The problem with your comparison with Taiwan is Taiwan is an island that is part of China but is currently controlled by an occupying force. This is agreed upon by almost all nations except for 12, the US also agrees on this btw.
What the west is saying is that regardless of this, China does not have the right to an armed resistance against Taiwan even though they consider it part of China. They even agreed to arm Taiwan to prevent this attack from happening.
So in terms of their statement on Palestine, this is actually consistent. The Palestinians have a right to kick out their occupiers, much like China has the right to kick out Taiwan’s occupiers.
You view it differently, but as I stated before almost all members of the UN agree Taiwan is part of China.
*Edit: On a personal level I don’t actually agree with this. I don’t want an invasion of Taiwan. I’m merely pointing out the “gotcha” you tried to set up doesn’t actually make sense. Instead it’s actually quite consistent with China’s position on Taiwan.
*Edit 2: This is also why China seems petty and runs around making sure all nations that trade with China state there’s only one China. That’s what the whole Lithuania thing was about. China is stating if the majority of the UN believes in a 2 party solution, then the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. Since the majority of UN believes in a 1 party solution for Taiwan, then it’s the Taiwanese who are the occupiers and China has a right to defend itself.
*Edit 3: Ironically, the same cannot be said for China’s consistency on the SCS. If you wanted a “gotcha” then China’s claim to the SCS is absurd. But that said, they never said it was OK for them to be in an armed conflict over that. So I guess take that how you will.
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I talked about that. This is how China is keeping the messaging consistent. Again, according to most states in the UN, they want a 2 state solution for Palestine. That’s why China’s pushing an armed resistance solution for the Palestinians.
Also, according to most states in the UN, they agree upon a 1 state solution for China and Taiwan. That’s why China’s pushing for an armed resistance solution against the Taiwanese occupiers.
It doesn’t matter what states say internally or want internally. The whole point is consistency of message from the Chinese. Which is armed resistance is acceptable for occupations. Thus, no “oh what if it turned around on China?” It’s consistent messaging, there’s no turning around.
NOW what you’re arguing is that the people don’t feel that way. Which means the west isn’t following it’s own “rule of law”. The problem with your argument is it makes clear that China is the one agreeing and following the UN rulings and the west is bending the “rules of law”. This is also why China cares so much about what they’re “hearing” as you stated and doesn’t really care about what they say internally. Which seems petty to you, but means China is actually obeying rule of law and the west is not.
What are you talking about?
Taiwan is its own country.Well tell that to your government. They are not saying that. And until most of the UN agrees with that, Taiwan can’t be considered a country.
In fact, as a Taiwanese person, I’d prefer it if people like yourself didn’t just say platitudes like Taiwan is a country and then do literally nothing in your votes to make that happen. You disappoint me.
De facto it is. But according to the one China policy that the US subscribes to, it’s not. It’s also not a part of many UN organisations.
That fact that China is the one saying it has no impact on the validity of the argument.
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So does the US. They are both imperialist nations with opposing interests. It’s not worth pointing out unless you are acknowledging how they both do it.
Each is in the best position to lay out valid criticisms of the other. You just have to use media literacy to be able to discern valid points from propaganda.
No shit, they were discussing the possible geopolitical implications, not saying China is uniquely duplicitous. Please use your media literacy to not insert words into people’s mouths.
You alright?
The CCP has only ever cared about the public face it presents.
Consistency between statements has never mattered.
this is pattently false, and this statement right here is why the PRC is able to run circles around the west, while also publishing 5 year plans on exactly what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. The west just pretends they are lieing
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violate human rights
Source: The countries actually violating human rights with every incentive to throw bs accusations at their geopolitical rivals.
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I clearly wouldn’t want to listen to the US governments position on Israel, why should China be any different?
Why not? The only countries accusing China of whatever they can are imperial core ones.
surprised they allow tankies here
Ah, the “woke” for leftists. Meaningless term, but it does sound cool ig
Surprised they allow libs here.
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There is no such as a “civilian” in an occupying colony. Half the population in “israel” are military conscripts, and most of the other half are fascists and settlers just the same; there are very few people in the colony actually plotting/fighting against the state.
By your logic, the Viet Cong, which used the same tactics (attacking villages, taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare) and had the same goals (driving out foreign occupiers and reuniting their country) as Hamas, and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which (regardless of its intentions and goals) resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the nazis similar to how Palestinians are being killed by “israel” now after the Oct 7 assault, were “terrorists” (whatever that even means).
Hamas is currently the largest Palestinian armed resistance group (and was even directly elected by the people of Gaza at that) and deserves everyone’s support.
Such nonsense. And people are upvoting it. Yikes.
Any actual response to the points I made?
Edit: No ig? Figures.
